Let's keep the name-calling out of the forums.
Thanks. Behaving like children doesn't lead anywhere.
:Avi and Sig by aztech:Lv.26x Cyber Hunter.
Yeah, I mean like really, be a lion and wander into pvp, and try NOT to get killed. This skill is greatness for a lion, and WE ARE NOT MULES, I MEAN SERIOUSLY, IF YOU USE US FOR OUR WEIGHT, THAT'S PRETTY SAD. If you want a mule try another type.
A "Ftw" moment :D ~hanzo11 has spoken! Team Conzo will forever last and reach our goal: TO BE THE BEST.
valrkirin: Learn the difference between a main and a mule, 'tard. I use my mains to their full extent, doing everything they are *meant* to do. Arrogance and I are proof that lions are not just singling them out for one specific purpose in this game. Every single character should be able to PVP effectively, and not get 1hit KO'd by most everyone the same level as you. You hardly ever venture into PVP, so what's the point of you posting here?
Learn the difference between a main and a mule, 'tard. I use my mains to their full extent, doing everything they are *meant* to do. Arrogance and I are proof that lions are not just singling them out for one specific purpose in this game. Every single character should be able to PVP effectively, and not get 1hit KO'd by most everyone the same level as you. You hardly ever venture into PVP, so what's the point of you posting here?
Yeah, you're right. Every character should be able to PvP effectively. And also, I would say the same thing to you, cause I never see you in PvP. I go to PvP everyday, cause I get bored.
@hanzo: IMO, any character type can be a mule. Power - fast leveling during the lower levels. Magic - fast leveling during higher levels/farmers. Sense - WT/Drilling. Charm - Raccoons are superior in GvG/PvP and Cats are pretty. Also your post is kinda like saying "Don't use sense types for holding stuff, use the other classes!".
Avi by Aztech! Siggy by Aisoyoko!
let me reformulate my first post
First: i excuse myself for saying it was a stupid idea, but its a bit of overkill (like hunting with a chaingun, you dont get a lot meat out of the animal), and the floating guns image isnt a very realistic one(and i know the game is a fiction), maybe you could use floating drones instead(lions are inventor after all)
Second: Lions arent made for pvp(dont flame me yet), they doesnt have the powers the others type boast, and if you put 4 in any other ability your characters will be severely unbalanced, making them very hard to play(and not very fun unless you like hard chalenge)
Third: Yes we are driller and we should proud of it, because it is an important part of the game(how to get stronger weapons otherwise), and yes we are pack-rat, but not in the "hold my stuff, mule" way, its more like "im a level 40 lion and i can hold more weigth than a level 100 bull" (its true, i have compared with one when i was lvl 40), and we have higher critics rate(wich could be useless if you cant land a hit), (and i know they sell detection scroll in myshop, but they are only scroll not skill card)
Fourth(im nearly over): We have high natural DA(non modified, 4 in sense help), we are good with everything that need DA, some other can boost this stat, but they will sacrifice other stat for that(you cant be a full attack power bull if you put point elsewhere)
Fifth: THE GUN, yes i know that alot of our skill are gun related, but not 90% like someone suggested, we have some buff and some special tech too, (please i politely ask that you verify your argument before posting it), the gun is a cool item, i acknoledge that, but it was put in to compensate some of our weaknes (lack of high strength, high defense and magical ability) so please think twice when you chose your char
(P.S. I got an idea for those who wish for more power for the lions: a sniper training skill, a passive skill that give a percentage of chance to pass over the evasivenes of charm and strengh)
Griffin, a lion fan
grimlock13: let me reformulate my first post First: i excuse myself for saying it was a stupid idea, but its a bit of overkill (like hunting with a chaingun, you dont get a lot meat out of the animal), and the floating guns image isnt a very realistic one(and i know the game is a fiction), maybe you could use floating drones instead(lions are inventor after all)
Yes, I had disagreed with the current skill a while ago in the thread. The point is lions need some skill that helps them out in PVP so they don't simply die as soon as they walk in.
grimlock13: Second: Lions arent made for pvp(dont flame me yet), they doesnt have the powers the others type boast, and if you put 4 in any other ability your characters will be severely unbalanced, making them very hard to play(and not very fun unless you like hard chalenge)
That's the problem. PVP is filled with just coons and light mages now..no diversity. If the PVP system were more balanced out towards all classes, this thread would not have been created.*
grimlock13: Third: Yes we are driller and we should proud of it, because it is an important part of the game(how to get stronger weapons otherwise), and yes we are pack-rat, but not in the "hold my stuff, mule" way, its more like "im a level 40 lion and i can hold more weigth than a level 100 bull" (its true, i have compared with one when i was lvl 40), and we have higher critics rate(wich could be useless if you cant land a hit), (and i know they sell detection scroll in myshop, but they are only scroll not skill card)
I see nothing to comment on.
grimlock13: Fourth(im nearly over): We have high natural DA(non modified, 4 in sense help), we are good with everything that need DA, some other can boost this stat, but they will sacrifice other stat for that(you cant be a full attack power bull if you put point elsewhere)
The thing is..equips are easy to come by. If a power wants to drill or compound, just swap out his power equips for DA equips for the time being. Powers can still 1hit most monsters even without their main equips, if they're buffed.
grimlock13: Fifth: THE GUN, yes i know that alot of our skill are gun related, but not 90% like someone suggested, we have some buff and some special tech too, (please i politely ask that you verify your argument before posting it), the gun is a cool item, i acknoledge that, but it was put in to compensate some of our weaknes (lack of high strength, high defense and magical ability) so please think twice when you chose your char
The number was not to be an exact, it was merely to say "almost all of our skills are gun-related."
grimlock13: (P.S. I got an idea for those who wish for more power for the lions: a sniper training skill, a passive skill that give a percentage of chance to pass over the evasivenes of charm and strengh)
THIS is what the thread should be about. Better suggested skills.
*According to each character's debuff skills, POWERS are meant to be weak vs sense..how would that be possible when hardly anyone chooses gladiator?(most powers have guard) So not only do powers have AC and LK debuffs, but also have a skill that protects them from phys/gun dmg for 5 hits. It only takes 1 hit (2 if you have high HP) to take out a lion for a power.
Sense are naturally weak vs charms...but we die before we can even cast a debuff on a charm. Raccoon can simply OP, and cat can 2hit before the casting finishes. That leaves lions to just go full brute strength and pour all their equips into AC for the highest dmg they can do, which is still very pitiful towards a charm with high HV.
I still believe AC should not be the gun damaging stat. Every class has buffs for THEIR attack increase.
Charms = Dodge Master which increases their HV. HV acts as - dodging skill, gun defense, and attack stat for most of charm's attack skills.
Powers = 3-4 different AP and AC buffs for higher dmg and accuracy
Magic = Mist of Mana for higher MA
Foxes = Lucky 7, Aura of Luck, Sixth Sense, which increases almost ALL of a fox attack skill dmg.
So as you see, each class has their ATTACK skill in their MAIN stat growth. It's hard to play as a gun lion because of this. You must have AC equips to hit hard, but LK equips to evade. Since Ntreev doesn't stack Power(AC) and Sense(LK) into the same equips, we have to swap out a lot of equips to get the right balance. This means we can never be at our full potential in the game. Mages have their Magic equipment stacked with Sense, so they can have both their Attack(MA) and Accuracy/Evade(LK), leading them to have high attack and accuracy if you build it correctly.
Same goes for Power and Charms, both their stats are stacked into the same equips.
Not only that,, but just think about this. Charms = HIGH defense, HIGH HP. They're the TANKS. What are tanks doing DODGING? The dodging should be for Sense class. Just think of a Ninja or Archer...they have no armor on, what are they doing BLOCKING attacks?
Which is then another problem in PVP. LK only blocks physical melee hits. LK does not block physical skills at ALL, yet HV dodges both melee attacks and skills. If LK weren't nerfed like this, would have no reason for this thread.
IMO HV and LK should be swapped in terms of what they do. Either that, or fix LK so it actually blocks skills.
Grim, this is not THAT stupid of an idea, floating guns, for god's sake, there's floating shield. Do something about that LOL.
Valk -> IhaveSenses
"Learn the difference between a main and a mule, 'tard. I use my mains to their full extent, doing everything they are *meant* to do. Arrogance and I are proof that lions are not just singling them out for one specific purpose in this game. Every single character should be able to PVP effectively, and not get 1hit KO'd by most everyone the same level as you. You hardly ever venture into PVP, so what's the point of you posting here?"
Me-> IhaveSenses
Yeah, I mean seriously, Valk,Arrogance, and I (Maybe Panne I think) use our characters fully for what they are meant to do, We aren't for carrying your crap and being used as mules. So if you want to use us, I just want you to leave because all you think lions are for is carrying? Then you're wrong, and this skill is right :o
...Why is this thread still alive? I thought the ugly snake reared it's head for the last time... Last time I suggested a Tank as a joke, but I think this time we need a little more firepower.....oh. How does a Naval bombardment sound? I mean we ARE on a island.
-HunterIO
XD Like I said before, ANY character can be used for carrying my crap and being a mule. And why do you say I think that lion's only purpose is to carry? o.O
ok, what about this:
Iron Defense: (Gun defense just dont seem something cool XD)
This Skill increases the Scientists DP by using his gun as a shield.
Lv1: 10% Gun AP to DP, stills 60 secs, 10 secs cooldown, 80 MP
Lv2: 13% Gun AP to DP, stills 65 secs, 10 secs cooldown, 100MP
Lv3: 16% Gun AP to DP, stills 70 secs, 10 secs cooldown, 120MP
Lv4: 19% Gun AP to DP, stills 75 secs, 10 secs cooldown, 140MP
Lv5: 22% Gun AP to DP, stills 80secs, 10 secs cooldown, 160MP
Lv6: 25% Gun AP to DP, stills 85secs, 10 secs cooldown, 180 MP
Lv7: 28% Gun AP to DP, stills 90 secs, 10 secs cooldown, 200 MP
Lv8: 31% Gun AP to DP, stills 95 secs, 10 secs cooldown, 220MP
Lv9: 34% Gun AP to DP, stills 100secs, 10 secs cooldown, 240MP
Lv10: 37% Gun AP to DP, stills 105secs, 10 secs cooldown, 260 MP
Lv11: 45% Gun AP to DP, stills 120secs, 10 secs cooldown, 300MP
so, a scientist with a 700 GP gun and Iron Defense lv10 ll have a 259 DP bonus;
a scientist with a 1800 GP gun and Iron Defense lv11 ll have a 810 DP bonus.
"wow, almost 1k DP!"
yes, but he needs an AWESOME gun and he still cant use a lv11 tenter shield with 3k DP + ???? HP...
EDIT: normally lions dont need to care about their gun AP, since gun AP isnt used at his gun attack skills...