Daddyrusse: For the European people it's not needed (since they can't register anymore)
For the European people it's not needed (since they can't register anymore)
Yes they can. I'm European and I have no problems registering, prior and after this "ban". I don't use any underhanded methods, just the normal route. I did it just yesterday in order to test this ban because I was sure I created my spare account after the euro ban. Can anybody confirm if it is infact a ban, or are people just encouraged to use their local server, in this case GOA?
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craig1984:Can anybody confirm if it is infact a ban, or are people just encouraged to use their local server, in this case GOA?
It was never a ban, it was a restriction to, in fact, encourage you to use the European server for the game. The ease in which you bypassed it shows why and IP ban doesn't work, and why applying the IP restriction for brazill is not a viable solution, and would be shooting themselves in the foot, since honest paying customers aren't going to jump through a hoop in order to play the game.
What I refer to in stopping actual banned users from new account creation is something like a cookie that you agree to when you agree to the ToS that gathers information about your computer, then uses that information to alow you to create a new account. If the information it gathers shows that your computer was used in an account that was banned for whatever reason, then it wont allow you to create the new account. Either that or a bit of code in the game software itself that does the same thing. I am by no means a computer programmer, but it seems easy enough to code something like that in.
The reason they wont do it, according to a GM is a post awhile back, is that such a system would have the potential to zap computers from internet cafe's as well, which is the way a lot of accounts from third world countries are getting to play. My argument for that is, as it has been: How much profit could possibly be coming from such users, and does it cover the lost profit from those that have left the game due to it's issues.
Another reason fromt he same GM was that account creation is a "Core" feature of the game. As long as they keep that midnset, then they tie their own hands in combating player based problems with this game, hacking included. While account creation remains a "core" feature of this game, they will never allow themselves to bring back the other "core" features of this game that had to be shut down because of the palyer based problems.
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Hiya Worry,
You have a good point, a valid concern, and in most cases all the "right" in the world to state what was stated (redundant, I know), but to say the least, I'm always chomping at the bit to go into glorious detail as to what security methods, programs and ideologies we use to monitor and maintain the aforementioned hack user situation.
However, that's tricky, and I cannot go into too much detail. We can't give away our trade secrets for a couple of reasons. One, it's not good to let the "hackers" know, to a greater extent, what methods are being used (this ideal doesn't apply to the script kiddies because there are bigger fish to fry) to thwart their efforts. Two, these methods are tested daily. When an account or player is banned for hacking, they are VERY limited as to what they can and cannot do. They cannot create another account (I won't go into detail as to how; all speculation aside), and they CAN (as directed) contact the Ntreev USA Account Administration team about what we won't do (restore their account). For most rule breaking hack users, that's where it ends. On the other hand, the more industrious "hackers" then temp fate by getting real creative with their methods, and THAT, is when life for the Admin team gets interesting.
We enjoy the challenge (I don't enjoy the sleep loss though, it's a faded memory).
Most players on these forums won't know what methods are taken because the majority of you guys and girls are great people and your accounts are and will be in good standing... legit. That's why we fight, each and every day. I personally dedicate a large amount of time each day dealing with violations of the Terms of Use on a grand scale, and to be honest, mistakes happen and people are people.
Most minor violations/issues go no further and get no more than a warning. However, hacking, will result in an immediate account ban for the account in question, all accounts created by that "user" any other account the user has accessed (or given access to others) and even in the case of net cafes; if we find the accounts (or net cafes themselves) being accessed are using hacks, we'll do everything in our power to shut it ALL down.
Unfortunately, this aggressive stance may throw some unknowing players under the proverbial bus, but when those players contact Admin (as instructed), we will thoroughly investigate the account in question, and if we find that the account is legit, we'll restore access... Unfortunately, this doesn't happen too often... BUT! when it does... I'm very happy!
Again, I wish I could go into detail about what we do. I assure you that the term "IP block" doesn't apply... that's so 2000 & late... ARGH!
My apologies, I said I'd stop with the horrible humor.
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Daddyrusse:I don't want to be rude Loki (because I respect the GMs) but why didn't you tell us that before? I mean, most of us didn't know Moshup (at least in Pangya) and he's the one who has to inform us of the situation. You should have done that.
If I was in the office and available at the time that the Premium Shop Display Issue became known and a response was necessary, it's likely that I would have written that response and posted it myself. Moshup was there, it needed to be done, he did it, it really is that simple. =) The only reason I make most of the official posts is honestly by least resistance: since I make a lot of posts on Pangya, I tend to make more posts on Pangya when I can.
There isn't any singular GM "assigned" to the Pangya forums to make official posts, that just gets done by whoever is available when information becomes known that we can present to you. GM_Tiramiss hosted our lovely Halloween Masquerade event, for example. As far as the non-administrative, "chatty" posts go, that's just something we try to do when we have spare cycles because I think that the community in general appreciates even what little GM presence we are able to offer. Being such a small business, unfortunately our efforts are almost always needed working on the game rather than the forums, but we do what we can, because we play these games too and we know what we would like if we weren't GMs.
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Hi Craig1984,
We are not stopping players from registering accounts in general.
For the time being (who knows what regions will be supported in the future), we have 2 other games that do not have registration on European accounts. However, actually playing the game, with a newly created account, from a location that is not currently supported will result in a message that will direct players to their own supported region.
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GMLoki: Daddyrusse:I don't want to be rude Loki (because I respect the GMs) but why didn't you tell us that before? I mean, most of us didn't know Moshup (at least in Pangya) and he's the one who has to inform us of the situation. You should have done that. If I was in the office and available at the time that the Premium Shop Display Issue became known and a response was necessary, it's likely that I would have written that response and posted it myself. Moshup was there, it needed to be done, he did it, it really is that simple. =) The only reason I make most of the official posts is honestly by least resistance: since I make a lot of posts on Pangya, I tend to make more posts on Pangya when I can. There isn't any singular GM "assigned" to the Pangya forums to make official posts, that just gets done by whoever is available when information becomes known that we can present to you. GM_Tiramiss hosted our lovely Halloween Masquerade event, for example. As far as the non-administrative, "chatty" posts go, that's just something we try to do when we have spare cycles because I think that the community in general appreciates even what little GM presence we are able to offer. Being such a small business, unfortunately our efforts are almost always needed working on the game rather than the forums, but we do what we can, because we play these games too and we know what we would like if we weren't GMs.
I didn't want an answer especially for the Premium shop issue (even though it's the main topic of this thread ), I'm speaking more generally of the hack issues. I mean Moshup wrote the only post that gave me hope And I guess you haven't worked on this problem for 1 day, so the answer about this problem could have been given earlier.
I don't want to understand all the mechanics behind the game (that would nice for the Gacha though ), but just knowing that people can't create a new account once they've been banned is nice to hear. So be careful now I'll send you about 200 screenies of hackers Good luck
And even if nobody's assigned to one game in particular, the only GMs I have seen in game are Grimm, Takeda, Tiramiss and you Loki (I hope I haven't forgotten someone ). I think you've won enough money since the game is yours that you can hire at least one new GM Therefore this new slave GM could do the dirty work and read every single post on the forums
But just next time, when you're working on the game and that you can't go on the forums for a long time, try to say in advance that you'll be in a far away country called "Hackerland" so that we don't wonder why all our GMs suddenly disappeared But thanks for the answer meh! (everyone says that , I'm just a copycat )
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Now those are what I call responses lolThanks Moshup and Grimm It's good to know that something is being done about these "hackers" at last. That is, we know at last, not that something's being done lol. In regards to banned accounts not being able to create new accounts, perhaps (and I don't actually expect an answer to this) that would explain the sudden influx of "players" coming onto the forum and asking for their accounts to be reinstated Again, thanks for the reply and stop reading this, you have work to do.
*Edit* Daddyruse, dude, chill out. You asked for a response and you got several! You complain when they aren't doing anything about the issues with the game, then expect them to dedicate a whole team member to keeping us updated :/ Surely if they were going to hire another GM, that GM would be better spent working alongside other GMs on the real issues in the game. Then things would get done quicker and they could show us instead of telling us, how they've improved upon these issues. Besides which, I'm sure I remember you saying you aren't spending another dollar on pangya, right? How are they going to hire another GM without your contribution?
craig1984: *Edit* Daddyruse, dude, chill out. You asked for a response and you got several! You complain when they aren't doing anything about the issues with the game, then expect them to dedicate a whole team member to keeping us updated :/ Surely if they were going to hire another GM, that GM would be better spent working alongside other GMs on the real issues in the game. Then things would get done quicker and they could show us instead of telling us, how they've improved upon these issues. Besides which, I'm sure I remember you saying you aren't spending another dollar on pangya, right? How are they going to hire another GM without your contribution?
First, I've already spent 900$, that's enough for a GM's wage right? And it's not hard (even if they had a lot of work) to take 10 mn and say what they said. Now I feel better and have confidence in this game again. Thanks Moshup
Would you, for a measly $900 one off payment, troll through this forum and reply to every single one of the thousands of posts requesting info and updates and other inane thing things? That's not to say your expenditure is measly, just that you expect that to cover wages lol.
Well if I could win 900$, stay at home and do this annoying job, of course I would do it
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Wait!! Who's getting paid!?!
I think they stopped paying me and started charging rent...
(My cat calls me everything except for two legged and up-straight after the return home, from being gone for a couple of days (and yes, he has plenty of food and water).
All joking aside, I won't single any one player out, but player contribution(s) in any form are greatly appreciated, if and only for the fact that the sheer desire to purchase premium items shows us all how much our players enjoy the games that we publish, or just about the fact that Pangya just can't be played without some outfits. Let's be real... who doesn't play golf in stiletto heels, bike leathers... and faerie wings? We're talking about Pangya here... OH RIGHT!
That puts me back on point.
We want to continue to publish an awesome game, and if I have to brush my teeth at the office again and again, I'll do it; no questions asked, but remember kids... deodorant is for after shower, not in place of.
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