kenshin90991: phantomxz: A say you deserve to lose because running from an Arme is plain foolish. If sucide is what it takes to win, so be it. Here is something, ARME HAS THE BEST SKILLS. If you run she'll have a constant protection of fire and she'll be able to use her oh ko skills so easily. Running into them is not suicide if you play smart and not run right into their attacks. Even if running at them is suicide, running from them is more suicide. For not realizing that, you deserve to lose. They also won't need to do something else, if they have protection of fire they may have shock stun also, leaving you to get destroyed. *Edit* If protection of fire is so godly, prove it. Buy it, fight me, see if you destroy me. 1) Again how is it foolish? 2) Its not foolish because she can only do 1 or the other. she cant do PoF AND meteor, which is the only other skill that im worried about. 3) With everything ive said all your arguments become null
phantomxz: A say you deserve to lose because running from an Arme is plain foolish. If sucide is what it takes to win, so be it. Here is something, ARME HAS THE BEST SKILLS. If you run she'll have a constant protection of fire and she'll be able to use her oh ko skills so easily. Running into them is not suicide if you play smart and not run right into their attacks. Even if running at them is suicide, running from them is more suicide. For not realizing that, you deserve to lose. They also won't need to do something else, if they have protection of fire they may have shock stun also, leaving you to get destroyed. *Edit* If protection of fire is so godly, prove it. Buy it, fight me, see if you destroy me.
A say you deserve to lose because running from an Arme is plain foolish.
If sucide is what it takes to win, so be it.
Here is something, ARME HAS THE BEST SKILLS.
If you run she'll have a constant protection of fire and she'll be able to use her oh ko skills so easily.
Running into them is not suicide if you play smart and not run right into their attacks.
Even if running at them is suicide, running from them is more suicide.
For not realizing that, you deserve to lose.
They also won't need to do something else, if they have protection of fire they may have shock stun also, leaving you to get destroyed.
*Edit*
If protection of fire is so godly, prove it.
Buy it, fight me, see if you destroy me.
1) Again how is it foolish?
2) Its not foolish because she can only do 1 or the other. she cant do PoF AND meteor, which is the only other skill that im worried about.
3) With everything ive said all your arguments become null
I didn't read all your text but you face me and prove the skill is truly godly.
Fight me now.
thats fine charge for meteor
ill use a 1 bar that i saved from running.
ill say it here again, ARME IS NOT MY PLAY STYLE, SHE WILL NEVER BE MY STYLE, MEANING THAT I WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO TAP HER POTENTIAL PERIOD ALSO IF YOU COUNT FIGHTING A LVL 2 ARME NUB THEN MAYBE YOU SHOULD RETHINK YOURSELF.
i fail to see where ego got dropped into this pow wow but im telling you now you need chill out/
IF YOUR NOT GOING TO READ MY POSTS AND RESPOND WITH SOMETHING MORE FACTUAL THAN PLAIN SKILL THEN WE ARE DONE HERE.
if anyone else would like to reply with a disagreeing opinion or a supportive opinion i will reply in kind. but make sure you read what we are writing as it represents our feelings.
some of it is skill
but i dont feel skill is the majority of this imbalance.
The way you make it sound, Arme is invincible and anyone can win with her.
You are also not coming up with reasonable posts.
You are literally making protection of fire sound like a guaranteed win.
Which is not acceptable.
If you say you can't do Arme that proves that she isn't a guaranteed win.
Just stop it, now, you are sounding like an idiot.
And if saying attacking towards them is guaranteed suicide then you are saying it is a guaranteed win.
You keep saying that you have no option, no way to fight her, that all you can do is run.
If you can't even use her then you have absolutely no right to make such comments.
In the end how come others can beat protection of fire but you can't, clearly you are the real problem.
If you always run then you give up and will cling to your believe that it is a guaranteed win.
When it clearly is not, but you think it is better to run then find a way around it and that is just sad.
You do deserve to lose, you don't try to figure it out, you don't even know what it is like playing as Arme.
You jump to opinions without any facts, no, you are not making facts, they are opinions.
Unless you can prove me wrong by showing me that Arme truly is unbeatable like you are implying, then just give up.
Also, I've read enough of your posts to tell what you are implying.
Also, saying you will die if you run at her, such a boldd and plain statement is in no way different from saying it makes her unbeatable.
the way you intemperate my text is you. let me make this clear again because god know your reading anything ive been saying. i mean how much more dense do you need to be to not see when i clearly say
"this is my position....." in this and the last thread. let requote that again because your being so freaking dense about your side that you cant even open your mind.
kenshin90991: i dont really have a problem with arme having this skill what i have a problem with is how accessible it is. i mean c'mon a skill that makes everyone run away from you, and in that time you can either -save your mp -cast again either way melee's are screwed if we attack them they will kill us while having PoF, if we run the process is repeated until either we get lucky or the arme decides to do something else. i have never seen a skill like that
i dont really have a problem with arme having this skill
what i have a problem with is how accessible it is.
i mean c'mon a skill that makes everyone run away from you, and in that time you can either
-save your mp
-cast again
either way melee's are screwed
if we attack them they will kill us while having PoF, if we run the process is repeated until either we get lucky or the arme decides to do something else. i have never seen a skill like that
kenshin90991:there are ways to beat an arme but man, its just a pain when you have someone who keeps casting that and chasing you. i mean really all the damage i do to someone who PoF will kill me.
kenshin90991: and by implying that im saying its not invincible but what im asking is when has there ever been a skill that can kill everyone on the map? i dont have a problem with it im just saying arme was pretty good to begin with.
and by implying that im saying its not invincible but what im asking is
when has there ever been a skill that can kill everyone on the map? i dont have a problem with it im just saying arme was pretty good to begin with.
kenshin90991: kenshin90991:it doesnt take Full potential to make her goddly. I was perfectly fine with arme and still am, but i think that she has been given too many Outstanding skills. Why does she need it? ARME IS STRONG, BEFORE I DONT THINK SHE WAS OP EVEN WITH HER SKILL TREE, BUT NOW THAT SHE HAS POF SHE IS ABLE TO BECOME STRONG IN BOTH RANGE AND MELEE. THERE ARE NO MELEE CHARACTERS THAT ARE AS STRONG AS LIRE IN RANGE IS THERE? SO WHY IS IT THAT SHE CAN HAVE 2 OUTSTANDING SKILLS WHEN EVERYONE ELSE HAS TO HAVE JUST ONE IN THEIR SPECIFIC DEPARTMENT WEATHER THAT BE MELEE OR RANGE? thats the question you need to be asking and if you disagree that is not a outstanding skill fine, BUT THIS IS NOT BASED ON SKILL, WEATHER I CAN OR CANT GRAB THEM. also i dont like arme my arme is lvl 2. i dont care for her so why dont you realize that im cool with arme, psh i was fine always dying in survival due to deep impact. but now she has multiple skills that are somewhat riddiculous. by no means OP. but they are up there.
kenshin90991:it doesnt take Full potential to make her goddly. I was perfectly fine with arme and still am, but i think that she has been given too many Outstanding skills. Why does she need it?
ARME IS STRONG, BEFORE I DONT THINK SHE WAS OP EVEN WITH HER SKILL TREE, BUT NOW THAT SHE HAS POF SHE IS ABLE TO BECOME STRONG IN BOTH RANGE AND MELEE. THERE ARE NO MELEE CHARACTERS THAT ARE AS STRONG AS LIRE IN RANGE IS THERE? SO WHY IS IT THAT SHE CAN HAVE 2 OUTSTANDING SKILLS WHEN EVERYONE ELSE HAS TO HAVE JUST ONE IN THEIR SPECIFIC DEPARTMENT WEATHER THAT BE MELEE OR RANGE?
thats the question you need to be asking and if you disagree that is not a outstanding skill fine, BUT THIS IS NOT BASED ON SKILL, WEATHER I CAN OR CANT GRAB THEM.
also i dont like arme
my arme is lvl 2.
i dont care for her so why dont you realize that im cool with arme, psh i was fine always dying in survival due to deep impact. but now she has multiple skills that are somewhat riddiculous. by no means OP. but they are up there.
no no character is invincible, I never said once that " ARME IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DEFEAT" stop assuming thats what i mean.
what im saying is that she has TOO MANY good skills compared to the other characters of gc.
im not coming up with reasonable posts? HAHAHAH if you call reading your posts with my full attention not reasonable then you must be __________.
never said she was invincible (if you think i did i implore you to quote me.)
so i cant.... but from the majority of the people who main her, which is over half the community, i could say thats quite alot in itself. its human nature to flock to the class you find the most powerful, easy to use, and preferable to your taste. if thats over half the community then thats quite a bit...
oh i sound like an idiot. i think your being dense and need to understand that NOT EVERYONE IS AN EGOTISTICAL MANIAC LIKE YOURSELF.
uhh suicide is defined as killing yourself...... if you choose to turn around and fight something that clearly had the advantage, it suicide if you die as you chose to turn around and fight a very uneven battle.
YOU FREAKING THE ONLY WAY TO CANCEL OUT PoF IS TO GRAB THAT IS 1 WAY DUMMY. MY GOD HOW IDIOTIC CAN ONE BE? THE ONLY WAY TO STOP PoF IS TO GRAB, YOU CANT ATTACK REGULARLY OR ELSE YOUR DAMAGE IS REFLECTED, YOU CANT SKILL OR DAMAGE WILL BE REFLECTED. WHAT ELSE IS THERE? OH RUN THATS 2 OPTIONS
MY GOD THINK
COGNITIVELY
i need to use her to demonstrate how well this skill works (not OP) but how versatile all her skills are. compared to any other class arme had the most versatile skills BEFORE PoF. so why was it necessary to have?
QUOTE ME WHERE DID I SAY I COULDNT BEAT IT? AGAIN STOP ASSUMING CRAP
oh so now the high and might will call someone weak for using their brain in a battle. i guess some of the worlds greatest strategists are sad....... ill remember that when im fighting in real combat. REAL MEN CHARGE THE BATTLE FIELD, GUNS BLAZING. and get their rear ends FILLED WITH LEAD.
REAL MEN PULL GUNS OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF A STREET AND SHOOT THE PEOPLE WHO ARGUE WITH THEM.
yea you probably fail at life.
WHERE DID I SAY ANYTHING ABOUT FACTS? WHAT I SAID WAS WHAT PoF DOES. THATS IT. FROM THERE I GAVE MY OWN REASONS (ALSO KNOW AS OPINIONS) AS TO WHY I FEEL THE WAY I DO. ALL YOU DID WAS ARGUE MY OPINION, WHICH I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH, BUT WHEN YOU ONLY ARGUE "OH YOU JUST NOT SKILLED ENOUGH," AND THATS ALL YOU SAY THEN YOU SIR DONT KNOW HOW CONFLICT RESOLUTION IS DONE. I DIDNT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT MY WORD BEING LAW.
hahahaha i dont how its like playing her even though i did play her for a short period of time? technically i did play her and i know how she works, the basics anyway, and i didnt like it. bottom line, but my experience does not out weight the current pvp experience of how many arme mainers are in the game. but that argument does have a degree of correctness.
are you reading this i hope you
i
never
said
arme
is
invincible
re read the quotes
oh you did obviously you did read my bottoms lines which my position.
we all know, that running at a wall will hurt you.
im saying from my experience running at a arme who has PoF cast ends baddly period. thats it no more no less.
ALSO
IF I WANTED TO STATE THE CHARACTERISTICS OF USERS WHO CAST PoF THE WOULD BE
now that being said.
if an arme (who is supposed to be a ranged character) wants to get close to you USUALLY when PoF is cast that means that they have something up their sleeve.
now that something is ENHANCED MELEE ABLITIES.
NOW LET ME ASK YOU SOMETHING
IF SOMEONE WAS HOLDING SOMETHING BEHIND THEIR BACK, AND YOU DIDNT KNOW WHAT IT WAS BUT THE KEPT COMING AT YOU, WHAT WOULD YOU DO? WHAT IF THAT THING WAS A KNIFE, YOU GET STABBED.
in this case WITH PoF HER ENHANCED MELEE ABILITIES ARE ON PAR WITH STANDARD MELEE CHARACTERS. now why would i want to turn around and fight that when i know its going to wear out in a bit?
I THINK YOUR USING YOUR EGO, AS OF RIGHT NOW YOUR JUST SPEAKING WITH YOUR EGO.
if i were you i would get out.
your probably not going to read this, but w/e ill leave it up to those who decide to actually read whats going on. see ya
I forgot where exactly, probably a few pages ago.
kenshin90991: he cant because hes basing all his references on skill which if he read what i bolded was irrelevant. anyway IM GOING TO RUN BECAUSE I CANT GRAB HER. HOW MANY MORE TIMES AM I GOING TO SAY THAT EITHER LAG KILLS ME OR SHE GETS THE DROP ON ME! EVERY CHARACTER CAN GRAB BUT WHEN SHE HAS POF SHE GETS A BUFF IN ATTACK, SUPER ARMOR, AND DELAYS. WHO WOULD BE STUPID ENOUGH TO TURN AROUND AND TRY AND ATTACK THAT? NOT TO MENTION IF YOU MISS YOUR ATTACK GETS REFLECTED.
he cant because hes basing all his references on skill which if he read what i bolded was irrelevant.
anyway
IM GOING TO RUN BECAUSE I CANT GRAB HER. HOW MANY MORE TIMES AM I GOING TO SAY THAT EITHER LAG KILLS ME OR SHE GETS THE DROP ON ME!
EVERY CHARACTER CAN GRAB BUT WHEN SHE HAS POF SHE GETS A BUFF IN ATTACK, SUPER ARMOR, AND DELAYS.
WHO WOULD BE STUPID ENOUGH TO TURN AROUND AND TRY AND ATTACK THAT? NOT TO MENTION IF YOU MISS YOUR ATTACK GETS REFLECTED.
Anyways, read the bottom of the post before.
Saying running after her is guaranteed death is pretty much saying the same thing.
I'm pretty sure you at least said something around those lines.
I won't read rest of post right now because I'm tired.
what im saying is the chances of death are higher due the the risks of
in my opinion, a situation in which a arme has PoF cast it is unfavorable for a melee character...... and the smart thing to do when things are unfavorable is to find a more favorable situation. to me thats waiting it out to see what they are going to do next.
again i didnt say it was impossible. so i dont see how that references you idea that i feel
arme is invincible.....
LOL
phantom i just figured it out
GG hahaha ahh you got me you got me i was getting frustrated for a bit there.
Kenshin, I'm sorry to say this, but the more you get angry and the more you use caps, the less correct grammar you use(In all your posts, I noticed that it is a problem), people will listen to you less and you will just plain look like an idiot(As phantom said).
Now listen, this thread is starting to become a flame war(What am I saying? It already has!) and I made it for the sake of peace. If I find out that I failed, I will simply lock it.
Edit:Woops, I got mixed up between this post and those one I made. My apologies.
My suggestion towards your suggestion is making another suggestion that doesn't involve a "stupid" suggestion. Kthx bai :) (SushiCookie)
Psh, what it reflects like, 10% of the time >_>;;
No, you have WAY more than 2 options. Even if you just depleted it with jump attacks or specials, you sound like it will always reflect. The last time I checked it didnt reflect 100% of the time you used a jump attack or special on her.
leonid dont you get it?
these replies were never really geared toward PoF, they were all created to start a flame war lol. it took me a while to figure it out but when i did oh man, i got a good laugh out of it. Thats what phantom does, flames people. To be honest, he does a really good job at getting under peoples skin, im surprised he doesnt do it more often lol.
id say drop it since its just the way it is, if kog doesnt do anything then so be it. I dont feel all that passionate in regards to PoF, just the things phantom was saying.
I don't try and start flame wars, but I do flame.
Flaming is a habit of mine, the only time I try and get players mad if they are pathetic players in game acting like they are all that.
As for flaming, its what I do.
I don't do it to get players mad, I'll leave that to the trolls.
Anyways, it is easier to attack and try and defeat players opinions then come up with a logical way to beat a skill I rarely face.
Nope, I hardly run into it. I've only seen be beating by stats from skilless players well I use it.
By the way, if i wanted you mad I'd use a much different tactic.
To be honest, I was actually happy to see you calm down.
I need to stop repeating myself so much.
For getting players mad in game, I do that if they try and get me mad mainly.
lol im glad i calmed down hahaha
i was starting to look idiotic rofl
Glad you agree with me.
lol
arguing the way i did is just idiotic. hahaha i cant believe i forgot that
Well, I'd say I have certainly missed a whole bunch in 3 days due to a school meeting. Goodness.
Okay, I admit. I didn't read every single post word for word. But I skimmed through most of it and has a general gist of where this is headed. As long with the misconceptions I'm seeing people conceive.
Misconception #1: Just grab or skill her or Insert_here_whatever_strategy_you_choose_to_say.
While it is true that grabs will, I want to say never since I have yet to hear of a person whose grab was reflected but it hasn't exactly been directly stated by a GM so we can't assume anything (it might have a 0.00001% grab reflection rate lol), probably never reflect, you are making the assumption that you CAN grab the Arme in the first place. You are assuming the Arme is skill-less enough to get caught into your grab. Aka, you are saying the Arme you are fighting sucks. Granted, this stands true, as 95% of the Armes under lv 50 has made me cry because they were so pathetic. But what if you were fighting against a well-versed Arme player, such as the ones who've posted here: Conspire, Zhon, Aleall (Sorry Alexscence, I've never fought you personally, so I can't make any judgments :x)? I mean, 99% of the community won't even be able to TOUCH these players with PoF much less grab them. I know I'm using an extreme case here, but not all Arme players are bad enough to let you grab them.
Misconception #2: Just deal a couple of hits. Jeez. The reflection rate isn't that high anyway.
Sure, you can do this. But considering Arme is not melee, she has 2 options in a 1v1 fight. 1. Dance around the stage and gradually chip your HP away when she catched you off-guard with a grab or a firebolt and such. Or 2. Trick you into persuing them while you are unconsciously being drawn into the perfect place for a major attack that will wipe your HP down to 0. Both of these revolve around movement. If you noticed, Arme's shared skills are composed 50% of how to better her ability to maneuver around. Especially with the backwards dash, melees have lost the most solid weapon they have: the ability to predict where her teleport will end. By the time you land a solid hit, the Arme would have recovered her MP to recharge. Which brings back to Misconception #1 if the Arme sucks.
The reflection rate is AT LEAST 25%. And while that may not seem like a lot, I've been told that her reflection rate is high as 80% when she first casts it, and the % gradually drops as her shield wears on. Now, I don't really believe it's 80%, but this gradual dropping of % seems to stand true, at least, for me. In other words, if you time the PoF right before someone lands an attack on you, there's a 50% chance you're doomed.
Misconception #3: The reflection rate is distorted because of lag. Lag is your own fault.
Okay, so those of you who don't know what I'm talking about, I'll explain, at least, in my point of view. This is how I think the skill works. When an attack hits Arme, this super fast probability spinner lands on either the portion that says the skill will reflect, and the portion that says it will not. Now, due to lag, the system registers this portion, such as it did land, and applies it to several consecutive skills. So sometimes, if you get hit by a skill like Savior's 2nd bar or BM's 2nd bar, you might either reflect almost the whole skill, despite that PoF should have been cancelled already, or it misses and you get hit by the later portion of the skill. (Yeah, I've reflected like, 6 to 7 damage counters on a single Fated Circle attack that practically killed my opposition.)
Now lag is a tricky thing. Besides the regular game lag, and lag from having bad internet connection w/e, there is also skill lag. And that's something we can't really do anything about. If you are very close to the person who cast this skill, the delay activates, but this lag may also. This also happens when you aim a skill right before someone else casts a skill. I mean, it has a 50% chance of activating on its own accord, so -shrugs-.
And now, I'm about to make one of the most important points that no one seems to really be completely grasping.
Arme cannot be stunned through the duration of the skill.
Even if you land an attack. Even if it was well-placed. Even if you corner her. Even if you catch her in mid-air with an attack that's not a grab. Even if you combo her. Even if you dash attack her. She cannot be stunned. If you catch her in mid-air, you might get hit with the reflection as well as if she used an air slash follow-up, which will knock YOU out of the air without any hindrance to her. If you combo her or dash attack her, she will not fall down or get stunned. In other words, while you are futilely attempting to stun her, she can 1. just simply walk next to you and grab you as I've done countless times, or 2. use her 1st GP skill, Fear, which WILL stun YOU, and then you get grabbed or skilled afterwards. Aka, if you combo her or dash attack her, prepare to lose some HP.
Also, about the skills that cancel PoF... Besides Stone Curse and Lire's OP skills, I have not seen another one that's even close to being effective. Ice Fairy and Saku, sure, they'll catch the Arme and make her be still for a second or two (and if you expect it to be longer, refer back to Misconception #1), but still, she cannot be stunned. So unless you're quick enough to execute a grab, she'll just escape unscathed.
And in the event that you DO grab her, she can just use PoF again. And you can't use your pet immediately again. So the only people who can directly wipe your PoF is another Arme using Stone Curse, which is rare since everyone has PoF, or a Lire.
The irony. PoF was supposed to protect Arme from Lire, yet Lire is the one that can penetrate PoF the best. v_v