Something needs to be done.
I had always used Lire's ST as an excuse that Arme's ST isn't OP. And while it is true to some degree, Fire Protection needs to be altered that it doesn't affect melees as much.
Edit: I mean, I honestly think Fire Protection was MADE against Lires and possibly Lasses' skill tree. I was perfectly fine with Saver against most melees, except DAs and ridiculously fast steppers. When Lire's skill tree came out, oh my gosh. Sometimes, not even Fire Protection could save me.
I had this epiphany when I won against someone that should have 3-0ed me under 3 minutes flat. Sure, it was at the end of survival, and we each had one life left. But I mean. I knew I couldn't win against him. So I basically spammed Fire Protection to keep safe. And he basically killed himself with his own attack damage being reflected back at him. I mean, this isn't like I lost and is QQing. It's the fact that I'm feeling really guilty because I won.
Sure, you can just call me cheap. But no matter how you look at it, it's giving Armes a bad name. It's just too tempting to use it. I mean, a skill that protects you from a whole lot of damage, it can REFLECT damage back (which, with skill lag, can have devastating effects), allows delay grabbing or skilling, and has a follow-up attack right afterwards. And while each of them is acceptable, putting it all together into one skill isn't.
And you could say just cancel it out, bam, with a grab. But that's about the same as saying, just avoid Athena's Sword by not running into their attacks, ya know?
So this thread's sort of to discuss Fire Protection. If or not it should be changed, and how to change it if you think it should. Personally, I just think it's the reflect that needs to be changed. Lower the reflection rate (I was told it started at 80% and slowly drifts downwards, but that is probably not 100% correct) or change it to where it only reflects aerial (such as jump) and ranged attacks (but not skills). The number of times I've seen people die from their own skills due to my FP... Okay... 2. Not that many. And it was pretty funny the first few times. But it really takes out the glory of winning that battle.
Sorry, but no.
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you're probably one of the only arme users I've seen that actually admit her ST is over-powered. I applaud you for that. and I have noticed that too, fire protection does need some tweaking, but since you pretty much made the point clear, no use in explaining it again.
/support.
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"Doesn't effect melees much" you say?You lie! Most characters are melee, and most +2nd bars are OKO if you get hit by it. I even heard this Ryan used SI on PoF and he got killed.
The only best term of "nerf" is to change all reflectional damage by 10%, instead of dealing 100% of the time. Either that or remove the whole skill itself.
Btw, even if this was nerfed, every single part of Arme still gives herself a bad name.
/support
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Darkboy132: "Doesn't effect melees much" you say?You lie! Most characters are melee, and most +2nd bars are OKO if you get hit by it. I even heard this Ryan used SI on PoF and he got killed. The only best term of "nerf" is to change all reflectional damage by 10%, instead of dealing 100% of the time. Either that or remove the whole skill itself. Btw, even if this was nerfed, every single part of Arme still gives herself a bad name.
although I do agree with you darkboy, you'll lose that arguement. there's just too many arme fanatics here, and too many of them refuse to admit that statement.
Quote1: Darkboy132: "Doesn't effect melees much" you say?You lie! Most characters are melee, and most +2nd bars are OKO if you get hit by it. I even heard this Ryan used SI on PoF and he got killed. The only best term of "nerf" is to change all reflectional damage by 10%, instead of dealing 100% of the time. Either that or remove the whole skill itself. Btw, even if this was nerfed, every single part of Arme still gives herself a bad name. although I do agree with you darkboy, you'll lose that arguement. there's just too many arme fanatics here, and too many of them refuse to admit that statement.
I know, I know.Either way, this thread is flame-bait for many Armes.
I AM SOO GETTING THIS SKILL NOW ;D
Time to look for the op lire skill :D
Lol, I'm not afraid to admit a lot of things. Sometimes. I'm usually logical, hopefully.
Athena's Sword is definitely OP beyond compare. You will only hear me say that Arme's ST is OP in this context: "Arme's ST is OP. It really is. But it is that way in response to Lire's. In the face of Lire's ST, Arme's ST doesn't even compare."
And Dark, I said that as of right now, it affects melees a whole lot. More so than ranged. I proposed that it should be CHANGED, so it won't affect Melees as much. Read, please? PoF does NOT have a 100% reflection rate. More like, around 50%. And there's no way you can just remove it lol. What, Arme's not going to have a cash 1 bar?
Arme is one of the easiest and hardest characters to play. Don't just say, Arme is OP just because you think so. Actually play on her for once, and you tell me how hard it is to survive on her without PoF. Don't base your opinions off of assumptions. If you want to argue with me regarding why or why not Arme's OP, I suggest you send a convo.
... She has Deliberating Aura... thats strong enough for massive MP/Defense, not to mention it can be "abused" so easily...
I'm pretty sure PoF has 100% reflection damage/rate/whatever though. I said someone got killed by his own Soul Impact. And please, half of it isn't strong enough to kill.
certain characters are weaker than other certain characters. Lire's ST alone isn't really a valid excuse for Arme to dodge a nerf. I've seen meeles in general that dominate a Lire in a hearbeat. Her ST already had a good nerf on its arrival to NA. Obviously, it's arme's turn.
I hate to disagree with you quote but...*Points to Iron Storm Lv. 2*Thats pretty OPed.
Darkboy132: I hate to disagree with you quote but...*Points to Iron Storm Lv. 2*Thats pretty OPed.
I meant her ST in general. but yes, Iron storm needs to be fixed, as does FoP.
ive seen people cast, and being a savior what can i do? i have to run. once it goes away they have enough mp to cast again or do something very deadly.
there are ways to beat an arme but man, its just a pain when you have someone who keeps casting that and chasing you. i mean really all the damage i do to someone who PoF will kill me.
sumi you where the first person i had ever encountered who used PoF and if you remember correctly i kept attacking you.
what happened when i did that.
and theres your answer. it really didnt take long.
but hey if they dont change this then w/e. no biggie
No support.
In my opinion, Protection of Fire is massively overpowered.
However also in my opinion, Barrage is overpowered. Lire's projectile destruction is overpowered. Shockstun is overpowered, Fear is overpowered, Radial Slash is overpowered, Lass' horizontal Kunai Throw (especially coupled with the stun buff) is overpowered, Headshot is overpowered - I think it would suffice to say that skill trees in general are unbalanced. Each one of them has something that seems overpowered.
Granted, everyone will disagree with me... Why? A melee wouldn't give any thought about projectile canceling, whereas for Arme, in the face of a semi-decent Lire, it renders her firebolts 50% more useless. In exchange, Arme has a means to either deal more damage from afar without the use of firebolts (shock stun) or a way to get closer (PoF). I'm sure someone will also mention Arme's MP berserk; do you have any idea how much HP you lose to gain those 3 bars of MP? Well, of course, Protection of Fire negates that while still giving you the opportunity to gain MP.
See where I'm going? Everything has a case for and against it.
The fact that Protection of Fire also can reflect damage is also definitely overpowered. However, here's my opinion; Warlock and Battlemage can no longer reflect a barrage of arrows without all but one being destroyed (or all of them completely). How is that fair against us? Again, the problem of a melee's standpoint arises in that they have nothing to reflect as well as no means of reflecting, aside from arrow defense against Lire's arrows (which should make them even more biased, since their measly one reflected arrow will just be canceled).
People told me I was just a sore loser when I said Skill Trees would throw off the game's balance severely, but I honestly wasn't joking in the least. Think whatever you want I guess. Bleh, now I'm just ranting. I'm done.
Oh, as a side note; the only effective ways I've noted to defeat PoF are the following:
Have fun with that one all you Non-Mage GPers :D
-Edit: Headshot.
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