CowxDD: Arinoa: Final remark... In hindsight, you shouldn't have allowed Skill Trees in this tournament. It wasn't fair to anyone who did not main Elesis, Arme or Lire. Also, while Cow is good, you should consider why he was completely unbeatable during all those 100+ games... Lire's ST is far too effective, namely headshot is - perhaps something needs to be done about that. My own opinion is, Lire doesn't need a fatal skill. She's far too good as it is, why give her something so gamebreaking? Nobody was surprised at the final results, boring :/ Final saying: "Headshot pwned the tourny". In hind-sight 1) I've went 160 - 0 in normal games before the skill tree 2) I've won several tournaments before this. 3) Etesy used skill tree but still lost games, and he's a very good player 4) I didn't even use a headshot in the finals (I used one, but didn't hit so I stopped) 5) Luz even said "thanks lires for the free points" in another thread (Basically) 6) As koun said, sorry you didn't main Lire. 7) There were many other Lires in the tournament that LOST. The top 10 weren't exactly all Lires. I don't think using me as a tournament example is very good. I think maybe if someone just came out of no where and won, without having any previous experience whatsoever, you could make a statement about Lire. I agree fatal is strong, but I'm glad Lire FINALLY has a way to KILL someone instead of running for 3 hours.
Arinoa: Final remark... In hindsight, you shouldn't have allowed Skill Trees in this tournament. It wasn't fair to anyone who did not main Elesis, Arme or Lire. Also, while Cow is good, you should consider why he was completely unbeatable during all those 100+ games... Lire's ST is far too effective, namely headshot is - perhaps something needs to be done about that. My own opinion is, Lire doesn't need a fatal skill. She's far too good as it is, why give her something so gamebreaking? Nobody was surprised at the final results, boring :/ Final saying: "Headshot pwned the tourny".
Final remark...
In hindsight, you shouldn't have allowed Skill Trees in this tournament. It wasn't fair to anyone who did not main Elesis, Arme or Lire.
Also, while Cow is good, you should consider why he was completely unbeatable during all those 100+ games... Lire's ST is far too effective, namely headshot is - perhaps something needs to be done about that.
My own opinion is, Lire doesn't need a fatal skill. She's far too good as it is, why give her something so gamebreaking?
Nobody was surprised at the final results, boring :/
Final saying: "Headshot pwned the tourny".
In hind-sight
1) I've went 160 - 0 in normal games before the skill tree
2) I've won several tournaments before this.
3) Etesy used skill tree but still lost games, and he's a very good player
4) I didn't even use a headshot in the finals (I used one, but didn't hit so I stopped)
5) Luz even said "thanks lires for the free points" in another thread (Basically)
6) As koun said, sorry you didn't main Lire.
7) There were many other Lires in the tournament that LOST. The top 10 weren't exactly all Lires.
I don't think using me as a tournament example is very good. I think maybe if someone just came out of no where and won, without having any previous experience whatsoever, you could make a statement about Lire.
I agree fatal is strong, but I'm glad Lire FINALLY has a way to KILL someone instead of running for 3 hours.
Cough cough Was it neccary for this
1. First life HEAD SHOT Dead.
2. 2nd Life Headshot didnt work PSN ARROW PSN ARROW GRAB Dead.
3. 3rd Life -Spawns- HEAD SHOT -In able to move- Dead.
As I see it SKILL TREE SHOULDNT BE ALLOWED.
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Arinoa: 3 poison arrows to the face, followed by a grab. Thats very very effective as well... So why does Lire need headshot? She doesn't. Also, edesy is nothing compared to you Cow. On even stats, if I use my Arme ST, I can beat his Lire. I've done that a few times before, and you know how not so good I am. There are far better players than him, that deserved to be 2nd... And you know it.
3 poison arrows to the face, followed by a grab. Thats very very effective as well...
So why does Lire need headshot? She doesn't.
Also, edesy is nothing compared to you Cow. On even stats, if I use my Arme ST, I can beat his Lire. I've done that a few times before, and you know how not so good I am.
There are far better players than him, that deserved to be 2nd... And you know it.
Woah edesy got told.
ok
Arinoa ill explain this to you with Logic.
edesy is of the Male gender.meaning he is good at this game.
you are of the female gender.meaning you're not very good at this game.
So Edesy>Arinoa A+ to C+ A+ to D+ you're still gonna lose to edesy.
Moose is not mean
SadMoose: Arinoa: 3 poison arrows to the face, followed by a grab. Thats very very effective as well... So why does Lire need headshot? She doesn't. Also, edesy is nothing compared to you Cow. On even stats, if I use my Arme ST, I can beat his Lire. I've done that a few times before, and you know how not so good I am. There are far better players than him, that deserved to be 2nd... And you know it. ok Arinoa ill explain this to you with Logic. edesy is of the Male gender.meaning he is good at this game. you are of the female gender.meaning you're not very good at this game. So Edesy>Arinoa A+ to C+ A+ to D+ you're still gonna lose to edesy.
It's a good thing I'm a male this week, or else that would hurt =/
LuzCeleste: SadMoose: Arinoa: 3 poison arrows to the face, followed by a grab. Thats very very effective as well... So why does Lire need headshot? She doesn't. Also, edesy is nothing compared to you Cow. On even stats, if I use my Arme ST, I can beat his Lire. I've done that a few times before, and you know how not so good I am. There are far better players than him, that deserved to be 2nd... And you know it. ok Arinoa ill explain this to you with Logic. edesy is of the Male gender.meaning he is good at this game. you are of the female gender.meaning you're not very good at this game. So Edesy>Arinoa A+ to C+ A+ to D+ you're still gonna lose to edesy. It's a good thing I'm a male this week, or else that would hurt =/
Luz you're an It.
so you dont count as female nor Male.
so you're pro in my book
Ok...This has gone a bit too Far...
If we are going by the "Skill Tree's shouldnt be allowed in Tourneys until All Skill Trees are out" then lets also go by "2nd 3rd 4th Jobs shouldnt be used in Tourneys untill all chars have them"...
Seriously people...so WHAT if Headshot is OPed....At least there wasnt any Headshot Lv 2s here (Thanks Ntreev)....Poison Arrow is By Far the sickest Skill Ever....But remember this...You all got Poison + Headshot + Grab = OKed cause you werent prepared for it...Its predictable yet unescapable in closeup...So yea...Im sorry but i just have to say it.
In the words of GM_Loki : QQ More, Noob
Now you all know why Loki hates Lires with a Passion...lawl
Seriously....Skill Trees just revamp a Job, it doesnt make them superior or anything...All Jobs are different in style power technique strategy and more. It doesnt mean that Job is Superior...Its all on the players skill...
...You whine about been beaten by a ST...then....really, you should think more about your playstyle...
Everyone stop whining about Lire being OP.
You know why it was assumed to be OP'd after this tournament was over?
The time limit.
7:30 and 10:00 is barely enough time to fight anyone. If you are against a Lire who is the king, you are forced to rush them, and kill them in the short amount of time. A more conservative strategy is impossible with the opposed time, so obviously fatal arrows will be everywhere.
WTB> Common sense
i agree with Ark sooo bad, i mean seriously, very super bad. agreed.
and headshot is not 100% fatal, sometimes it only take a few dmg, and posion + headshot + grab = KOed. if ur quick, u can use 1st bar after posion arrow i have done it many times. and the reason that lire's ST is so OP cuz it used to be suck since DA came out, lire has no abililtiy to fight a DA, even arme takes chance against DA. so i think its not very unbalanced. =]
Soapko: Everyone stop whining about Lire being OP. You know why it was assumed to be OP'd after this tournament was over? The time limit. 7:30 and 10:00 is barely enough time to fight anyone. If you are against a Lire who is the king, you are forced to rush them, and kill them in the short amount of time. A more conservative strategy is impossible with the opposed time, so obviously fatal arrows will be everywhere. WTB> Common sense
qft - As I said myself, this was a OHKO tournament (not literally ohko, but it cut out a lot of other strategies due to the short time limit... And made Myurin even more annoying).
As for the argument about Lire... In the one try I had against him, Cow and I went back and forth bringing each other to half HP and regenerating to full for a whole match. He only hit me with one fatal arrow, and I used my Kaze orb, shortly regenerating back to full. It wasn't until the last 6 seconds or so of the match that he killed me off with regular arrows, one second to spare on the clock before a stalemate (sounds like karma to me). Sorry, if I can go an entire match only getting hit by one fatal arrow while aggressively pursuing my opponent, I'm sure most of you can do it as well...
But as for the skill tree argument,
don't look at me, I was playing Mage.
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You got hit by 2, one failed :P
A minor detail
SadMoose: ok Arinoa ill explain this to you with Logic. edesy is of the Male gender.meaning he is good at this game. you are of the female gender.meaning you're not very good at this game. So Edesy>Arinoa A+ to C+ A+ to D+ you're still gonna lose to edesy.
Moose has over 9000 Ari hate points pending.
But, because you currently have 0 hate points.. I'l give you a chance to take it back, be wise enough to do that please :o
Arinoa: SadMoose: ok Arinoa ill explain this to you with Logic. edesy is of the Male gender.meaning he is good at this game. you are of the female gender.meaning you're not very good at this game. So Edesy>Arinoa A+ to C+ A+ to D+ you're still gonna lose to edesy. Moose has over 9000 Ari hate points pending. But, because you currently have 0 hate points.. I'l give you a chance to take it back, be wise enough to do that please :o
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more Sammich making please.
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