Nice job mate, I used to do the same thing back then but I have learned the error of my ways and I am willing to reform....
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I used to do this when this game first introduced pvp. I didn't know it was against the rules either, until they erased all my wins and resetted my exp. Congrats on the sticky, its a pretty well written guide.
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I wanted to know more about the swapping subject, i'm suprise to see that there is just on side of the problem here.
Players who trade wins to gore exp more easely just don't know what "playing" means and deserve to be sanctioned. But I don't think that's the major part of the "swappers".
When your waiting for hours to find a room from witch your not kicked without reason, you end against a made up ace team with A+ cash stuff who just whip the floor with most of casuals players, you might have some reason to search another way to win. It wouldn't be that annoying if some quest don't needed PvP (like job or Ryan's one). When you just don't like PvP and come for completing the quest, the only option is to find a good team, wich take ages most of time (cause of all restricted room where you cannot enter, all trapped room where ace players kill noobs for fun or room where host kicks everones he wants).
Swapping is low, but i can't blame ones who had enough of PvP system and players stupid mentalities.
Rhyvia: I wanted to know more about the swapping subject, i'm suprise to see that there is just on side of the problem here. Players who trade wins to gore exp more easely just don't know what "playing" means and deserve to be sanctioned. But I don't think that's the major part of the "swappers". When your waiting for hours to find a room from witch your not kicked without reason, you end against a made up ace team with A+ cash stuff who just whip the floor with most of casuals players, you might have some reason to search another way to win. It wouldn't be that annoying if some quest don't needed PvP (like job or Ryan's one). When you just don't like PvP and come for completing the quest, the only option is to find a good team, wich take ages most of time (cause of all restricted room where you cannot enter, all trapped room where ace players kill noobs for fun or room where host kicks everones he wants). Swapping is low, but i can't blame ones who had enough of PvP system and players stupid mentalities.
You are right.....but well about the topic in another s grand chase is legal to up with swap or FK(free kill) most of the people do and well they are max level. I really hate up with pvp. Now im playing more dungeons of xenia than pvp, because the pvp is impossible to me, the lag make really difficul to play
Erm, so...
IS using two computers to "fake" PvP wins completely against the rules, regardless of the circumstances?
What about pure PvE players who could care less about ranking, they just want to get through the ridiculous "Win X amount of PvP matches" or "Kill X amount of players" quests? It's not right that they should be forced to choose between stumbling around against experienced players or completely abandoning the quest and any exp/equipment it gives, is it?
I'm just wondering if the GMs are the Ban First, Never Ask Questions types ~_~' do they poke the player and inquire as to why their win-lose ratio is so skewed, or just kill them off and continue on?
Carrotkay: What about pure PvE players who could care less about ranking, they just want to get through the ridiculous "Win X amount of PvP matches" or "Kill X amount of players" quests? It's not right that they should be forced to choose between stumbling around against experienced players or completely abandoning the quest and any exp/equipment it gives, is it?
First, that is still a bannable offence.Secondly, how is it not fair? Should pvpers not get any missions at all? If you're a high level, you should be..decent in pvp..imo. If you're not...practice. ;P
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RyanGormel:Secondly, how is it not fair? Should pvpers not get any missions at all?
I didn't say that...I think it's great that there's quests for both sides. The more quests the better, most MMOs have too few. But the rules SHOULD be flexible enough to allow anyone to enjoy the game within reasonable limits. Sitting there and "faking" wins until you're the highest on the scoreboard isn't reasonable. That cheats legitimate players out of their rightful place in the scoring system. But what is so wrong about doing it twenty times to get through a quest? PvP players are allowed to solo a dungeon to complete the PvE quests, right?
RyanGormel:If you're a high level, you should be..decent in pvp..imo. If you're not...practice. ;P
Some people can't do PvP...be it because they have a crappy connection, slow reflexes, no practice because they don't LIKE that game mode, whatever. For me personally, it's the second and third reasons. I can't keep up with all the jumping and dashing and skill-spamming, and I don't really care to practice because I don't like competing with others~ and so, I have all these undoable quests sitting in my quest log.
I'm not trying to get the rules changed or anything, because it's probably pointless to try :P just presenting my point of view and possibly others'~
What's wrong with someone swapping/dual boxing 20 times? The fact that a person just spent time and energy to win 20 times. That's why it isn't allowed. It's unfair, no matter how many times you do it.
Ive seem to notice as much i may be new to it all but i see that it is difficult to pvp for many people lag or they just cant win making pvp a requirement to job advance is harsh as it is ive only been on a month but i got my abyss night with night of playing being kicked losing many times personally i didnt want to pvp i jsut wanted to lvl enjoy doing dungeons and lvling charactors though i de believe that the people who do swap-dual comps and that they do it just to get wins to get ranked those are wrong just out right but sometimes it is just abit difficult i believe especially if your not stated up have like A stats thus results in this if it wasnt such a requirement to job advance or what not i doubt this would be such a big problem as it is though im not asking it to be changed just there is reason for it most of the time instead of their doing just for wins since the exp from doing it is slow anyhow dungeons grab you at least 5 times more in less time though i guess some stilll do it for exp
Is it fair when at pro kill a newbie who just want to finish his quest and obtain tons of experience in less than three minute. And then, he believes he just show his despite in the PvP chat.
It ends by players who don't care how they since they win. I don't care if I win cause my team are all spammers who endlessly cast arrow / fireball till they win, i got my item in the end. I don't care my rank, my win rate or my reputation till I get my job. It's annoying for PvP players, but well, many PvP players are annoying for them.
PvP system suck. I was in superior class first time I enter in a PvP room because i got two character upper than Lv 35. And how Am I supposed to practice when I can't even playing ?
RyanGormel: Carrotkay: What about pure PvE players who could care less about ranking, they just want to get through the ridiculous "Win X amount of PvP matches" or "Kill X amount of players" quests? It's not right that they should be forced to choose between stumbling around against experienced players or completely abandoning the quest and any exp/equipment it gives, is it? First, that is still a bannable offence.Secondly, how is it not fair? Should pvpers not get any missions at all? If you're a high level, you should be..decent in pvp..imo. If you're not...practice. ;P
rofl ? I play almost only Amy, and I can't find a da*n pvp, always get kicked. I only have 20% of winning, 7 victories for 28 loses !
The only pvp I can play are against high levels and experienced players, so yes, I'm not enjoying pvp because I get killed in 3 moves. Then yes, pvp sucks in my opinion and I don't know how I can complete these da*n pvp missions...
I notice every day people with 1.5k win for 0 lose, and they're not banned ? lmao, and I have to be banned for 50 wins ("gifted" by a friend for example) ?
That's all I wanted to say about pvp here. No chance for (amy-)players&low-skilled.
Well, try joining C+ rooms. ;o If stats are not the problem, practice more with Amy. ^_^
People on that list are swapping, and they ARE banned, it just takes time sometimes, since there is a lot of them.I really don't know why people would spend there time doing that though. ;-;
I hate swappers more than I hate cheese and I HATE CHEESE. Think of poo then put your principal in it thats cheese to me.
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Good information to know.
Swappers will always exist no matter what happens.