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Re: The player's guide to Elesis

blizzard49 — Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:23:29 GMT

It's a nice guide, but an elesis will probably lose to a smart arme :D and iPod this was posted like 7 months ago.

Re: The player's guide to Elesis

rangerboy71 — Sat, 15 Nov 2008 23:56:48 GMT

iPodSEA:
im a nub because i necro things that were from march and i have time to check for it therefore proving i have no life

there fixed for ya

Re: The player's guide to Elesis

iPodSEA — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 05:57:49 GMT

i have one thing to say.---- Nub ._.

Re: The player's guide to Elesis

zero721ms — Mon, 24 Mar 2008 00:50:05 GMT

CowxDD:
I dunno zero, 2 bar kills me 90% of the time against warriors, but lately you're right, I'm starting to survive with a little hp left.

I can't wait till we are all in our 50s and it takes 2 2 bars to down me xD

I think under 25 2 bar on warrior will be the main way to slaughter players. 3 Bar is okay but even weaker than 2 bar. Can't even come close to 1 hitting me unless the down gets me :(
and grab is very important for me... on any character.

Lol

After PvPing you for the last few weeks, I figured that I need to make a new section about dealing with lag, as the 1bar skill is virtually useless, as the last half of my attack is the only part that deals damage.

Miracle12:
Umm...zero, when arme is using meteor to the right, she's facing left, so it's the opposite direction.

Exactly. We both said the exact same thing.

("A" = Arme, ">" = direction arme is facing, "M" = Meteor)

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Re: The player's guide to Elesis

Miracle12 — Sun, 23 Mar 2008 08:33:56 GMT

Umm...zero, when arme is using meteor to the right, she's facing left, so it's the opposite direction.

Re: The player's guide to Elesis

CowxDD — Sun, 23 Mar 2008 06:20:37 GMT

I dunno zero, 2 bar kills me 90% of the time against warriors, but lately you're right, I'm starting to survive with a little hp left.

I can't wait till we are all in our 50s and it takes 2 2 bars to down me xD

I think under 25 2 bar on warrior will be the main way to slaughter players. 3 Bar is okay but even weaker than 2 bar. Can't even come close to 1 hitting me unless the down gets me :(

and grab is very important for me... on any character.

Lol

Re: The player's guide to Elesis

bankai777 — Sun, 23 Mar 2008 00:45:05 GMT

Notrium:
Almost all of the Ronans i've seen so far use grabs far more then skills - 2/3 grabs = death , and a really annoyed gamer , while the skills take time.And grabs cancel EVERYTHING , which is mega annoying too...

grab is last resort for me

Re: The player's guide to Elesis

Notrium — Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:46:56 GMT

Almost all of the Ronans i've seen so far use grabs far more then skills - 2/3 grabs = death , and a really annoyed gamer , while the skills take time.And grabs cancel EVERYTHING , which is mega annoying too...

Re: The player's guide to Elesis

bankai777 — Sat, 22 Mar 2008 18:25:43 GMT

Notrium:

What's your opinion on 1v1 Elesis vs Ronan cat/mouse fights?
I've had quite a few of those , the Ronan jumps like hell and goes for grabs , but is scared when you crawl behind him with the 1 bar . And not sure , but i think i've been able to use the 1 bar to evade the Kanavan o_O . On the other hand , trying grabs with Elesis can be tricky (or i plain suck at it) and it's best that you either sword smack him in the back , or corner then Air spiral.

who was that ronan u fought cuz id never fight like that go for the mp moves

Re: The player's guide to Elesis

bankai777 — Sat, 22 Mar 2008 18:23:18 GMT

zero721ms:

Against Ronan

Ronan is the newest addition to Grand Chase. He has the same speed as Elesis, and uses a sword, but also has access to magic.

I will go over how they are similar and different.

-Elesis has one set of bar skills, while Ronan has two (black and white).
-Ronan's 1 bar doesn't have as long of an attack animation as Elesis's.
-Ronan's dash can be more easily comboed into a throw.
-Ronan's dash attack send enemies upward, while Elesis's send them downward.
-Ronan has distanced magic attacks, you really don't.

Ronan's skills, and how to avoid them.

Dash: Not really a skill, but it is the same as yours. Just attack midway, or grab them. You can also be attacked or grabbed this way.

Dash attack: Ronan swings his sword upward, sending you upward. You could potentially be juggled this way, and it has a good horizontal range. Not sure if it kills on fatal, but it can be comboed into other moves, so avoid if you can.

Ragna Bolt: Similar to Fireball, but you don't suffer extensive knockback, and it has limited horizontal range. You will be knocked back enough to where you can be comboed into other moves, so avoid being in range unless necessary. Also not sure if it kills on fatal, but I would assume so. The combo afterward will be able to kill, most likely.

Normal combo attack (ends with either blue fire puffs, an upward slash, or a quick up and down slash). Just avoid being in front of. All moves of this type are generally hard to pull off, but near impossible to escape. Can kill on fatal.

Rune Spiral (1 bar): A small spike of blue energy shoots from in front of ronan, scoring up to two hits. Can be comboed into another 1 or 2 bar skill, or a quick grab. Avoid. Can kill on fatal.

Holy Bless (other 1 bar): Increases the attack of all the caster's allies standing in range. He is left open to grab or prepare an attack, but Ronan's can use the time lapse to dash and grab anyone in range immediately after. Attack itself does no damage.

Giga Crash (2 bar): A quick striking sword combo, launches enemies in range upward, then makes a pillar of light erupt from in front of him, doing a good amount of damage. If you are hit by this, you really can't escape, unless you fall out of it during the sword strike stage just before you are launched, or if you can directionally influence your landing away from where the light pillar comes out. Can kill on fatal (last hit)

Blast Bomb (other 2 bar): A large meteor falls from a distance in front of Ronan doing a great deal of damage, knocking target down, and leaving a trail of fire that can damage people for a short time afterward. Insanely easy to avoid (unless you are in the middle of being attacked by another player). The caster is open to grabs or attack set ups here. Usually a mistake cast in 1 v 1. Can kill on fatal.

Kanavan Strike (3 bar): Ronan jumps upward, slams his sword into the ground, and a large blue field (about 3/4 of screen width, and spreading along the ground level to Ronan) appears, shooting sword-shaped projectiles upward, doing lots of damage. Avoid at all costs. If you see Ronan jump straight upward, and make a noise, either unleash your 1 bar, or run far away, fast. Can kill on fatal.

Lunatic Force (3 bar): The slow moving counterpart to Arme's Fireball, this blue orb of energy slowly moves away from Ronan. The first enemy to get struck by it either dies, entombed in an ice crystal, or is brought to fatal, in an ice crystal. Easy to dodge, but quite powerful. Can kill on fatal, I think.

General Guidelines.

1.) Kill quickly. Any Ronan with enough MP to cast Kanavan strike will most often kill you and many other people, so dispose of this quickly.

2.) Approach from behind. Seeing as we are talking about Ronan, that sounds wrong, but as you are a female character... nevermind. Ronan's attacks don't protect behind him, so feel free to unleash your moves on him.

3.) Field control. No one does it better than Elesis. Use aerial attacks to keep Ronan knocked down, and manipulate the field.

4.) Distance is still your friend. The only attack that Ronan could potentially hit you with from the other side of the screen is Lunatic Force, which will almost never be casted, except for in close range combos, so make sure you keep your distance, and attack when you are able to deal good damage.

ok heres a bit of advice for all u elesis' out there back when i fought as an elesis i beat ronans all the time and ill share my secret just as long as u dont betray me and kill me

when fighting a ronan ur gonna wanna run alot when u have ur mp to the max you wanna get close use it before he gets to you why u may be asking ill tell you why when your using a mp move you are invincible somewhat depends on ur distance with the ronan once u have ur mp going u wanna use weither the mega strike or the awesome sonic wave move the uppercut will get u killed but anyway do this repeatedly and u will pwn all ronans out there are you up to the challenge?

Re: The player's guide to Elesis

Notrium — Sat, 22 Mar 2008 13:38:48 GMT

What's your opinion on 1v1 Elesis vs Ronan cat/mouse fights?

I've had quite a few of those , the Ronan jumps like hell and goes for grabs , but is scared when you crawl behind him with the 1 bar . And not sure , but i think i've been able to use the 1 bar to evade the Kanavan o_O . On the other hand , trying grabs with Elesis can be tricky (or i plain suck at it) and it's best that you either sword smack him in the back , or corner then Air spiral.

Re: The player's guide to Elesis

zero721ms — Sat, 22 Mar 2008 07:09:31 GMT

I know the 2 bar move is powerful. It can OHKO, under the right conditions. But so can Air Spiral. The problem with both of these moves is that, unless you trap the opponent, you have about a 1 in 15-ish chance of hitting somebody with one of these moves (just a guesstimate).

One of my favorite combos is to 1 bar someone, and trap them in the multiple-blade strike portion, and then instead of using the falling sword attack, I charge up and unleash a sonic wave. It is quite a deadly combo indeed.

I do not doubt the power of the 2 bar. It has helped a ton in Dungeons, and when used in combos in PvP. The thing is, people do their best to avoid being comboed, so I judge every move as stand-alone, and stand alone, 2 bar doesn't make you invincible as long, doesn't last as many frames (damage dealing wise), and has a less chance of interrupting a combo (the 1 bar can actually be released during another Elesis 1 bar, if the timing and the lag is correct, a rare occurence).

At higher levels, the amount of damage you do becomes irrelevant, if you can't hit anyone. This guide is to focus on how to use Elesis's best ability, her ability to control the field. As I have learned, a field controlling Elesis, that has good combat skill and ability, is a winning Elesis.

Re: The player's guide to Elesis

Dalchie — Sat, 22 Mar 2008 03:03:00 GMT

Quote.- -To deflect arrows, you have to press the attack button while moving toward the enemy (at least, the keys should be pressed as such), at the exact time an arrow hits. This is rare, and usually you just defend against them, taking reduced damage.

Well an error here...

Investigating and things I found that Elesis has an 80% of defending a arrow. And from that 80% a 20% is chanced to deflect it. Not really necesary to hit the arrow, unless you have the Wii Sindrome...

That means a 20% deflect, 60% defend, and 20% you eat an arrow...

P.D.:Second Special Is LETHAL when stikin' it certerely. Or it takes a load of damage. With that attack I claimed lifes of many. And Many claimed my lifes. Bad thing is the range. But it hits, it kills, or leave the enemy with low HP/Fatal.

Re: The player's guide to Elesis

zero721ms — Fri, 21 Mar 2008 14:12:26 GMT

The thing with Sonic Wave is that it has such limited range. Its basically the same length as your sword. Granted, it does 10 times as much damage as a sword strike, maybe more.

But its can easily be jumped, dashed, or even walked out of, if the situation is correct. Its vertical distance is just pathetic. If you can pull it off against an opponent who just blew a bar skill, and hit them with most or all of the hits, its probably worth the extra bar. Otherwise, its just generally too easy avoid to use well.

Re: The player's guide to Elesis

Imban — Fri, 21 Mar 2008 11:45:40 GMT

Hmm, I think you're doing Sonic Wave a disservice by not recommending it. Skill clashes with Mega Slash can save your life, but Sonic Wave just plain kills people in PvP. I'm not a PvP pro, though, so maybe people with more experience don't use it. ^^;