Tips & Tricks

Re: .:: Alchemist Dungeon Tips! ::.

Nne4Prez — Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:44:15 GMT

Fuikosan:
Hey there! :P I saw you posting all over the Alch threads and I thought I'd try and answer your questions here. I'm no longer playing here but I did write this guide up so if memory serves me right, I still know my ways around with an alchemist. xD
I hated Alch when I got it. xD But it turned out to be quite the fun class. You get to play different roles. Support or Damage. Big Bomb is an awesome attack skill. Anyway, to your questions! :D

#1 I never really thought bombs where very useful to me in dungeons but it turns out I was very wrong! So probably gonna start learning to juggle as of right now.

Suiko: Yeah I just read through Blehs explanation on bombs. It's a little wild in the dungeons but it's the quickest way to gain MP. Dash Attack works as well for consistent high damage but using Bombs isn't that bad as well.

#2 Sometimes I just really don't think the items are worth it..in a dungeon I think I've gotten mp charge like once...ever. <_<

Suiko: xD Just keep at making them whenever you've got spare MP. Once, I remember, in a BFB run, our whole party had about, 6-9 MP Restores. :P It made quick work of Dark Amnon.

Reflecting Boss attacks can be fun too. :P

#4 Where do I aim my bomb for optimal damage? Is it better to come from above or below? Or really how does the damage of the bomb work?

Suiko: The Bomb will make the mob fly into the air when it hits. You just have to set up your bombs in such a way that when the monster comes down, it gets hit by 2-3 bombs. This is a lot better if you're hitting 2 monsters. Just practice aiming your bombs.

#5 Also how do i aim big bomb? and does curing in the cloud work in dungeons? >_>

Suiko: I usually Big Bomb up close. There's a chance that it'll restore some of your MP but I never got around to knowing what causes that exactly. From what I read on here, the explosion nets the MP. So hitting big targets or a clump of enemies is the best way to go with it. Do remember to target at the back for optimum damage.

As for Cloud Kill, it's good for stalling enemies without Special Attacks (like Skeleton Archers). If you use it on mobs that uses Jump Attack Sequences the cloud will make them keep using it. You can use it on these kind of mobs but make sure you blow them up in the air first. The cloud will catch them. The damage is pretty good too.

Anyway good luck with your Alchemist! :D Hope you have fun!

I'll do my best! x3

I'm still really just trying to pull most of this off. Gotta practice my fluttering >;d

(think butterfly)

Re: .:: Alchemist Dungeon Tips! ::.

Fuikosan — Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:07:44 GMT

Hey there! :P I saw you posting all over the Alch threads and I thought I'd try and answer your questions here. I'm no longer playing here but I did write this guide up so if memory serves me right, I still know my ways around with an alchemist. xD

I hated Alch when I got it. xD But it turned out to be quite the fun class. You get to play different roles. Support or Damage. Big Bomb is an awesome attack skill. Anyway, to your questions! :D

#1 I never really thought bombs where very useful to me in dungeons but it turns out I was very wrong! So probably gonna start learning to juggle as of right now.

Suiko: Yeah I just read through Blehs explanation on bombs. It's a little wild in the dungeons but it's the quickest way to gain MP. Dash Attack works as well for consistent high damage but using Bombs isn't that bad as well.

#2 Sometimes I just really don't think the items are worth it..in a dungeon I think I've gotten mp charge like once...ever. <_<

Suiko: xD Just keep at making them whenever you've got spare MP. Once, I remember, in a BFB run, our whole party had about, 6-9 MP Restores. :P It made quick work of Dark Amnon.
Reflecting Boss attacks can be fun too. :P

#4 Where do I aim my bomb for optimal damage? Is it better to come from above or below? Or really how does the damage of the bomb work?

Suiko: The Bomb will make the mob fly into the air when it hits. You just have to set up your bombs in such a way that when the monster comes down, it gets hit by 2-3 bombs. This is a lot better if you're hitting 2 monsters. Just practice aiming your bombs.

#5 Also how do i aim big bomb? and does curing in the cloud work in dungeons? >_>

Suiko: I usually Big Bomb up close. There's a chance that it'll restore some of your MP but I never got around to knowing what causes that exactly. From what I read on here, the explosion nets the MP. So hitting big targets or a clump of enemies is the best way to go with it. Do remember to target at the back for optimum damage.
As for Cloud Kill, it's good for stalling enemies without Special Attacks (like Skeleton Archers). If you use it on mobs that uses Jump Attack Sequences the cloud will make them keep using it. You can use it on these kind of mobs but make sure you blow them up in the air first. The cloud will catch them. The damage is pretty good too.

Anyway good luck with your Alchemist! :D Hope you have fun!

Re: .:: Alchemist Dungeon Tips! ::.

Nne4Prez — Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:27:16 GMT

SadMoose:
i find this rather useful :3
i personally in Alchemist just use Melee attacks its about 150 a hit 300 damage i can probably deal 1k damage every 10 seconds maybe less its rather nice
Dungeoning with Alchy is a rather nice change from Wand its a very nice Support char but...it does have its flaws,as in MOST people get so hooked up into making items they pretty Much Leech off of everyone,cause there to dam busy making items that uaslly come out Coins
and for Jumping Stages Jumping with Alchy can be a challenge to overall
nice guide :3

Yeah I tend to start leeching when I'm about to die ._. I feel really bad about it most of the time, and end up trying to do something stupid to be helpful and not die but end up dying anyway. I suck at dungeons in general though.Hopefully some of the things I've learned in this thread will help with that though..I never really thought bombs where very useful to me in dungeons but it turns out I was very wrong! So probably gonna start learning to juggle as of right now.

Sometimes I just really don't think the items are worth it..in a dungeon I think I've gotten mp charge like once...ever. <_<

Their better in PVP in my opinion..just because I think more of the items are more useful, but I do still tend to use them in dungeons just because I hope it'll happen at least once ._.

I think I just decided I'm gonna main Alchemist until I get pretty awesome at it. xp Wish me luck, AWESOMENESS IN PROGRESS! <-<

EDIT: where do I aim my bomb for optimal damage? Is it better to come from above or below? Or really how does the damage of the bomb work?

Also how do i aim big bomb? and does curing in the cloud work in dungeons? >_>

Re: .:: Alchemist Dungeon Tips! ::.

Akira056 — Mon, 18 Aug 2008 03:16:20 GMT

LosseyLo:

this guy have some mentle problem

Re: .:: Alchemist Dungeon Tips! ::.

Fuikosan — Mon, 18 Aug 2008 02:16:23 GMT

Lag the thread. :(( Someone delete it. ><

Re: .:: Alchemist Dungeon Tips! ::.

lamaldinio — Sun, 17 Aug 2008 15:52:29 GMT

LosseyLo, the point in that was?

Re: .:: Alchemist Dungeon Tips! ::.

Fuikosan — Sun, 17 Aug 2008 06:29:42 GMT

Wow. =o

Thank you so much Zhon. =D That's really awesome. Though, here's the thing, I noticed that sometimes, when a penalty kick in, what the dungeon shows does not apply. But for now, that means money's pretty much useless. =S

Thanks for testing. :P I'll add that bit up right now.

Re: .:: Alchemist Dungeon Tips! ::.

Zhon — Sun, 17 Aug 2008 03:44:35 GMT

Fuikosan:
Make Item
Here's a list of items that drop (in case you don't know what they're for):
Money - Not sure how much GP it adds.

Here's a present for you, Fuiko-san.

(First run) - (Second run) - (Third run)

First and third, I made no items. Second run however I picked up a "Money" item from my 3rd bar white magic skill.
Each run was done on Gorgos server Trial Forest one star, and ended in the worst rating possible. Controlled environment ftw.
I've come to the conclusion that at least in dungeons, the item is completely, one-hundred percent useless.

^~^.

(I just realized I lost my Vampire Face... Ugh ;-; /shame )

Re: .:: Alchemist Dungeon Tips! ::.

Fuikosan — Sun, 17 Aug 2008 00:47:23 GMT

Flutter. I strongly suggest you watch Zhon's video. :P It's Dash-Jump basically. It's a lower jump but it's faster. You can throw two consecutive bombs by using this technique and a platform. First Flutter + Throw Bomb, then as soon as you land on the platform, drop down and Throw Bomb. If you do it right, you'll throw two bombs. :D

I'm glad it inspired you a bit to play ALchemist. xD I gave up on it too sometime after I got it and decided to play it again after watching Zhon's videos. :))

Re: .:: Alchemist Dungeon Tips! ::.

lamaldinio — Sun, 17 Aug 2008 00:35:27 GMT

What is fluttering?

I have never used alch much, I prefer mage because of firestorm, but I shall now give alch another chance!

Re: .:: Alchemist Dungeon Tips! ::.

Fuikosan — Sat, 16 Aug 2008 22:53:32 GMT

Thank you Kentisu and Zhon (omg the Zhon!!)!!

I knew I missed something. xD That Big Bomb bit, yes that's true but I never really quite figured out from what it was coming from. I was sure it had something to do with the blast. From what I know, if you hit a single mob with it, one bomb will throw it off making it so that the blasts from the 2nd and 3rd don't hit fully. I guess that must be it. :D I'll add that right in.

And yep, flinching!! :D That's also very important. In a lagless game, I can keep a mob in the air for a few seconds, and if timed right, make the bomb on it's way down explode netting aerial. :P Also helps making mobs stay still. Thanks Zhon! Will add those tips as well.

Still wordy. xD Lack picturesss.

Re: .:: Alchemist Dungeon Tips! ::.

Zhon — Sat, 16 Aug 2008 16:24:22 GMT

Very nice guide, the aspects that you covered are very well explained. (I can't count how many times I've been yelled at for bombing in dungeons...)
Although I personally disagree with using booby trap at all in dungeons... I only set them down to finish off a boss in a comical way and give my friends some laughs x_X But if you can use them effectively, then bravo!

Also, Kentisu is right... If you use it on a big group of enemies, you can even get all 3 bars back :P

Another property of the bomb that you could add is that hitting an enemy with a bomb causes them to flinch, or while they're in mid-air stops their fall very briefly. Of course it doesn't do damage, but say an enemy is falling onto a platform - you can flutter up to them and toss the bomb, then finish off with a dash attack for some extra (aerial as well) damage.

Just thought I'd share :3

Re: .:: Alchemist Dungeon Tips! ::.

Kentisu — Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:58:23 GMT

This is great, now I don't have to write an Alchy guide, haha. (I've been too lazy to finish my Mage guide as of yet) x_x

You covered everything really well. One thing I'd also like to note is that if the Big Bomb animation is finished before the Big Bombs actually hit something, you can gain a LOT of MP from the bomb explosions. Sometimes I get up to near 2 full bars back, making Big Bomb only cost 1 1/2 bars or so if done right.

I've only had this work on Kaze'aze so far though, I haven't practiced on how to do it otherwise. But it's definitely worth mentioning.

Re: .:: Alchemist Dungeon Tips! ::.

Fuikosan — Sat, 16 Aug 2008 09:34:51 GMT

xs Yeah that's true. =o Hmm so far, I've only come across, two people who complained of my bombs. :D So I guess I'm doing a pretty ok job lol.

Re: .:: Alchemist Dungeon Tips! ::.

SadMoose — Sat, 16 Aug 2008 09:19:04 GMT

lol yea, this is a very diffrent guide you uaslly see pvp guides :3 im glad you got a nice Dungeon guide

but yes the Bombs are very nice they do nice damage but then your teamates complain "god dammit moose ..i mean xxxx stop throwing bombs!"