Now before you continue to read, am not saying people should stop grabbing and am not trying to change the way people play. I am simply stating the reasons why grabbing requires no skill at all and I am not saying that people who ABUSE grabbing have no skill. (So for those you live off grabbing, don’t take offence). Oh, and if you’re wondering why I went through the trouble of posting this, I am just interested in people’s opinion on this topic.Now I know what you’re all thinking”this guy is probably a noob who gets grabbed all the time”. But I can gladly say I don’t bump into a lot of people who abuse grabbing. So I can’t say I get grabbed all the time but I do run into a few people who like to abuse itAs we all know the GC servers don’t always provide the best conditions for PvP, things like lag and delays can be a right pain in the ass. There are also the laggers that run about. This gives birth to things like air grabbing, warp grabbing and counter grabbing, which in a perfect game with no delays or lag, would not be possible. I’ll go for each one before I give my reasons as to why grabbing needs no skill.
Air Grabbing:This works when someone grabs you just when you jump off thus resulting in you being grabbed in the air. This is mainly cause due to delay which in a perfect game would never happen. Why? Cause the guy would have already escaped before the grabber has the chance to grab. Or of course he gets grabbed before then.Counter Grabs When you’re in the middle of a combo or just started a special, a grab can stop that instantly. This is mostly due to lag and can be abused by laggers almost all the time. This again would never happen in a perfect game. Why? Well when the grabber charges in for a grab he would be hit by a combo. The special would freeze him on the spot, unless you have specials like Mega slash (which doesn’t freeze the game instantly), then they would most likely be hit by the first few attacks. Some people can argue that you can get a grab in as they are doing a combo because of the delay between attacks. I say this will only work at the end of a combo or if the player stops. Other than that, you will get caught in the combo.
Warp grabbing:I don’t know how this works or how it’s done. It happens when you’re playing on one side of the map then get warped to the other and BANG, you have been grabbed. I blame this on the lag, not from the GC servers but from the actual player. My theory is that on the lagger’s screen you are right next to them but on your screen you’re not. To them you’re just standing there so what do they do? GRAB! And we all know that GC favors the lagger, so yeah. IN a perfect game this would never happen and I don’t think I need to explain why.IN a perfect game grabbing would be much more difficult and thus would require skill in order to achieve it. But that would never happen, ever. (Unless we all got the best internet connections and the GC servers got a lot better). Things like lag and delays makes grabbing a lot easier thus reducing any need for skill- Just charge in and grab and don’t worry, because lag is on your side. That’s why grabbing doesn’t need that much skill.
Am aware that there are other methods for grabbing. Simple one is- Stun them with an attack like FB then charge and grab, or after a special, charge in and grab. This requires some amount of skill, because people can mess this up and in a perfect game this would not change.
Feel free to comment or add another method of grabbing which i have not touched on yet
True, grabbing doesnt require much skill, but if it starts to ammuse u and you start trying to walk up to people just to grab them it will result in death..
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I'm assuming you can't grab for crap (Care to prove me wrong? Come 1v1 me, I'd love to see it)
I'm also assuming you're fresh out of middle class or dungeons.
Grabs are essential in this game causing it to become much more tactical / complicated than simple hit and bash.
Also grab is client side for the person grabbing, without grabbing some laggers would be near IMPOSSIBLE to kill because the only way to do damage to them is through client-side grips. It goes both ways, so be the better gripper instead of whining about it on the forums.
Imo grab is essential, and yes I do abuse it. In higher level games it takes 8~9 grips to kill someone of equal stats, so you do get quite thankful you have the option instead of pelting an elesis with 500+ arrows.
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novazero:I must suck then if I can't even grab someone while playing as a melee character.
Apparently so. XD
Anyways... I'm not to good at pvp though I can say grabbing sometimes has its unfair parts.
PS: I have yet to find a "perfect" game. So I'll stick with Grand Chase.
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Welcome to the forums... AzarkGrabbing does require skill, because most people won't just sit still and wait for you to grab them (especially those pesky Lires)...Without grabs... Melee vs. Lire would be impossible >.> for me at least.
The only thing that annoys me about grabs is the skill delay thing, especially savor-grab.
But it's not like it's going to be changed any time soon (ever), so I do it too. >.<Like Cow said, don't complain about it, just do it better.
And @ Sylos, I think by "perfect game" he meant - a session of Grand Chase without latency.
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Firstly Cow i have had 650 wins and 600 loses and have a lvl 44 ronan, so am not some random guy who just came in
Secondly am not whining am just giving my opinion.
Thirdly, i try not to grab , if i do, i don't mean it or really need to. And i agree with you, sometimes you do need to grab to beat some people for e.g people with fatal. am also a sucker for grab spammers
And lastly am not whining.
I also would never want to PvP you cow, i have already lost enough games.
Like i said before i don't want this to change or change the way people play.
and yes i did just create an account for that reason and shall never return again.
For starters, I'm going to assume you're the one lagging, since every single one of these issues come from lag and there's nothing else to prove otherwise.
An air grab, as you claim, is simply jumping and then warping back to your opponent's hands. This is not uncommon especially when your info hasn't been completely sent to the other clients yet. The simple method to avoid this is to KEEP MOVING. The more you move, the less likely you're thrown, simple as that.
For counter grabs, you CAN grab someone in the middle of their combo because there IS a short gap between the starting and ending attacks, which is why people tend to do "Critical Attacks" and "Launching Attacks" early so that the gap isn't there. That and you shouldn't even be attempting a combo or be on the ground for longer than 2 seconds anyways; this will only open you to grabs which you really dislike. Players that depend on combos to do damage are practically asking to be thrown.
Warp Grabbing, this I've only seen ONE person in this entire game that can do this and that would be OoAangoO. This implies that you AND the other opponent lag like crazy, where info is barely sent to the other over a lagged connection and you see others warping about. If this is not the case, it's simply put that your sent information registers as still being "over there" on the side... If it's not Aang that's doing this, then I don't know what to tell you because most laggers I've seen do not lag enough to grab me across the screen unless I'm the one lagging (due to sister youtubing).
Of course, it's not too much skill to grab, but it IS a strong skill to know how to avoid grabs. In this case, you're missing the skill to dodge grabs. You can't avoid them all, but anyone can dodge being thrown even when you have a lagging opponent.
Ok i should clarify my point (perhaps i just made my post too long}
My point is-Grabbing requires no skill BECAUSE of the lag and Delay we have in the servers or in players. It gives the grabber and overwhelming advantage. So far as ive seen. Thats why i created the perfect game example. IN a perfect game (which i have never had) grabbing would be much harder to achieve.
I also do not want people to change the way they play nor do i want grabbing to be removed. I agree it is a vital part of the game. Am just saying once again Grabbing requires no skill BECAUSE of the lag and Delay we have in the servers or in players.
And am not complaining nor whining if i was i would say something like this-
You dang grabbers don't know how to play, you suck, grab should be removed!! and so forth
and i did not say anything of the sort, am simply giving my opinion
and yes, i suck when it comes to avoiding grabs, most of the games i lost was cause i cant avoid them.
DT7:I'd have to disagree, simply because it is a skill to grab an opponent before they grab you. Best to learn how to fight grabbers with powers of grabbing back. You'll enter grapple contests and you can read my "Melee Defense Basics" guide to get the best out of it.
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But your right, it took me forever to learn how to grab decent.
Firstly 1250 PvPs really isn't that many PvPs
As you can see it can easily be topped through MIDDLE zone alone, so yes it is quite plausible you popped out of no where, and the level 44 can show that you've simply done dungeons to the brink of boredom. Also with this new boosted exp level 40+ is quite simple to obtain, I got my friend from 26 to 37 in a night Lol.
And in response to the rest you said - meh - you're entitled to your opinion but the only people that will agree with you are the ones who are still in middle class / do not understand grabs.
Players of higher tier levels will disagree with you, as you'll soon see.
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