srry for double post but in the videos above, u see the use of flash step as well as shaking. shaking should only be used by itself if ur trying to avoid damage like from a super. but u need the flash step to get anywhere with it fast enough to counterattack. All ur doing with these tactics are making ur hands hurt. Just go the easy way out and use ur airlock and delay, unless ur fighting another DA or a striker since they're probably gonna use those tactics on u.
Also, I advise using DA, then switch to Striker, then ultimatley going back to DA. Why? Cuz it helped me become faster with my DA. Its just something about playing with Striker that helps u understand DA's movements in ways i dont understand. For some reason, i can now see exactly where a DA is gonna be at the exact moment just by checking out how fast they can reach me in the beginning of the match and how many attacks theyve avoided (unless its something as sick as the shake+flash step combo, thats unavoidable, the only way to beat that is by luck and lag)
The reason why I wanted to know that is because, my main problem is I can't do air otto more than three times, because my keyboard doesn't react fast enough. Which is why I wanted to know if I needed to press at the level of flash step.
DaEvilWithin: The reason why I wanted to know that is because, my main problem is I can't do air otto more than three times, because my keyboard doesn't react fast enough. Which is why I wanted to know if I needed to press at the level of flash step.
Try practicing with a wall first.
At a wall I still only get 3 hits, is that standard?
DaEvilWithin: At a wall I still only get 3 hits, is that standard?
No you should get atleast 5 before knocking em over.
Are you placing the dummy back to the wall with no gap then going on top and mashing >Z together? It kinda helps ur timing but not how u do standard way. Cuz with walls all you have to do is mash in the direction of the wall and youll almost never fall down unless the other char does or dies.
I was mashing <Z together, and I'm pretty decent at mashing, I mash all the time in Street Fighter Do you think my keyboard is preventing me from doing 5? It's wireless and I heard that it produces lag because of that.
@fendo, we are helping, there is no magic trick to learning DA. It's practice practice practice. We're just telling him what to practice. And ya I'm talking. But i'm in the first vid, and I'm doing it. Not sure how you managed to miss that. There's no way to use it ineffectively in a pvp match. You just do it. You avoid taking damage or being stunned if someone attacks you during your invincible frame. I think you need to watch the video again. Half the game we're clumped in the middle ottoing and shaking but noones getting hit. It's not because of lag, it's because of shaking. I say forget airlock, because if you can control DA well enough to shake, air lock is the least of your problems. That was an extraordinarily ignorant post. Read, don't skim. And If you don't know enough about DA to give an educated response, don't respond.
@DaEvil, It's easier to learn, but it takes a lot of practice once you know what to do. It's simple. just start with an air dash. ^>>. then push z. Once you've attacked once, DA can dash again. so do that. But let a complete dash finish before pressing z and starting a new one. Then just speed it up from there. Try going back and forth etc. The important thing is to make sure the dash animation happens before starting a new one.
Aleall u forgot to mention that u were flash stepping also didnt u? If u just shake with no objectives theres no point of in meaning its ineffective. And when did i say anything about the invicible frames being lag? I said if u noe how to shake, the only way someone can beat u is by lag, luck, or better shaking. And since u didnt catch this, i dont know if u were just skimming through my responses. Telling him about something and teaching him how to do something are two different things. You cant just be told about something and automatically know how to do it perfectly so i dont think those videos are actually helping. And my response being uneducated? Not sure where that came from seeing as how i gave efficient tactics in pvp without the use of shake and flash step (though i do noe how to shake but i cant flash step with any character). Shake without an effiecient way to counterattack after it (which is where flash step comes in) is kinda pointless unless ur dodgeing a 3rd level super (in this case you dont need to be able to counterattack since dodgeing a whole 3 bars of mp is a win in itself).
DA cannot flash step. He has no rocket, and therefore cannot flash. Now before you try to correct me, >(>^) doesn't do a rocket, just an air dash. How do I know? The animation. A rocket step is not a dash, If you know how to rocket, and you compare a rocket to an air dash, you'll see the difference.
The purpose of shake, is to exploit the infinite frames to avoid being hit. I thought that was pretty self evident.
No, you didn't say anything about lag, I'm preemptively countering your arguments. Really wasn't too hard to do. Because, GUESS WHAT. Very next sentence, lag. Lag would have nothing to do it, DA cannot stay invincible infinitely, there is always a point where he is vulnerable, if only for a split second. That is why classes with a long dash attack do well against DA. Also, better shaking? Did you not jsut say shaking serves no purpose? Onsap you cede the point.
Now, I'm not teaching him, because there is nothing to teach
Aleall: @fendo, we are helping, there is no magic trick to learning DA. It's practice practice practice. We're just telling him what to practice. @DaEvil, It's easier to learn, but it takes a lot of practice once you know what to do. It's simple. just start with an air dash. ^>>. then push z. Once you've attacked once, DA can dash again. so do that. But let a complete dash finish before pressing z and starting a new one. Then just speed it up from there. Try going back and forth etc. The important thing is to make sure the dash animation happens before starting a new one.
@fendo, we are helping, there is no magic trick to learning DA. It's practice practice practice. We're just telling him what to practice.
That's me telling him what to practice, how to practice it, and why. There's nothing to teach, it's something learned on your own.
Now, shaking without an efficient way to counterattack would indeed be useless, but if you gain enough control over DA that you can shake, ottos come naturally.
You admit to not knowing how to shake, meaning you told me I was wrong, without know enough to back it up. You cede the point
It's a bad sign in a debate if I'm quoting myself.
DAs CAN Flash step it just looks diffrent but Its basicly the same. The have 3 different steps 1. Rocket 2. Flash 3. Fade/Illusion. Other then that ur right a DA isnt about locking its about movement and the abuse of the frames. But i dout that "Shake" is the original Name of that tactic if i recall i heard it was Illusion Otto not sure.
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Snikie: DAs CAN Flash step it just looks diffrent but Its basicly the same. The have 3 different steps 1. Rocket 2. Flash 3. Fade/Illusion. Other then that ur right a DA isnt about locking its about movement and the abuse of the frames. But i dout that "Shake" is the original Name of that tactic if i recall i heard it was Illusion Otto not sure.
DA cannot rocket, and therefore cannot flash. Rocket is a bizarre result of the game physics, kind of like squeezing something slippery between two surfaces until it squirts out. Inputting the keystrokes for a rocket just makes DA air dash.
The only conventional step DA is capable of is the mutated shadow step everyone calls illusion.
Also, shake was the name someone gave it when the video of the two DAs shaking was originally posted on the forums. That was dec/jan i think.
Only in the last couple months have people started calling it illusion.
From my experience DA can flash step but not so good and it can Rocket too. The rocket helps alot since it makes a wide invisibe frame.According to this video DA can flash step .-.It starts from 4:36http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcZLPcS1wdYAlso there is also something called Hax step? Maybe. My partner made a video of doing ithttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azamD-3voFcAlso if you want to watch a video of DA's fighting using Illusion/Shake specially iIsKounhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErV9AwrbSjM
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DA can rocket dude.
DrkPhenom: From my experience DA can flash step but not so good and it can Rocket too. The rocket helps alot since it makes a wide invisibe frame.According to this video DA can flash step .-.It starts from 4:36http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcZLPcS1wdY Are we watching the same video? It's not even a proper shadow because he dashes before hand. It's not a rocket that DA does, it's an air dash.Also there is also something called Hax step? Maybe. My partner made a video of doing ithttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azamD-3voFc Same thing as above Also if you want to watch a video of DA's fighting using Illusion/Shake specially iIsKounhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErV9AwrbSjM ahahahaha savage got owned.
From my experience DA can flash step but not so good and it can Rocket too. The rocket helps alot since it makes a wide invisibe frame.According to this video DA can flash step .-.It starts from 4:36http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcZLPcS1wdY
Are we watching the same video? It's not even a proper shadow because he dashes before hand. It's not a rocket that DA does, it's an air dash.Also there is also something called Hax step? Maybe. My partner made a video of doing ithttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azamD-3voFc
Same thing as above
Also if you want to watch a video of DA's fighting using Illusion/Shake specially iIsKounhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErV9AwrbSjM
ahahahaha savage got owned.
Aleall: DrkPhenom: From my experience DA can flash step but not so good and it can Rocket too. The rocket helps alot since it makes a wide invisibe frame.According to this video DA can flash step .-.It starts from 4:36http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcZLPcS1wdY Are we watching the same video? It's not even a proper shadow because he dashes before hand. It's not a rocket that DA does, it's an air dash.Also there is also something called Hax step? Maybe. My partner made a video of doing ithttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azamD-3voFc Same thing as above Also if you want to watch a video of DA's fighting using Illusion/Shake specially iIsKounhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErV9AwrbSjM ahahahaha savage got owned.
OK, since you dont want to call it a Flash Step because of minor technacalities that when known, doesnt help u at all as a player just make u seem a bit more dedicated to the game then the average person, and continue to call it an air dash, Its an Air Dash and when u press down right after the air dash u hit the floor, and when u repeat, u get a devestating amount of distance as well as speed. This is what i call a flash step since i dont keep up to date with the terms used to describe certain movements in this game (doesnt at all help u in anyway). The first and second vids is what i was talking about earlier and u keep saying that if u noe how to shake then u can otto with ease, but thats just an uneducated inference (since u seem to like to take things in the most litteral and technical of senses). Who can say that if u can shake then u can otto? maybe since the person only knows how to shake, then he doesnt know how to change his timeing and press the Z button faster. Maybe his left hand is not as fast as his right. If this were to be presented to a scientist without a servey or any form of data to backup ur conclusion, It would surely fail.
Using words like "Rocket" doesnt actually help in anyway but just to make u sound more like a word i cant use here. Half of the people who play this game dont know the scientific name for all of the glitches/game physics abuse unless they stay on top of the forums which i dont ( i rather spend my time playing the actual game instead of talking about it like i didnt know anything about the name "Illusion" being given to a particular step) No one cares about the minor tecnicalities except on an SAT test, THIS IS A GAME
And on quoting yourself? U did that because u wanted to. And again, making u seem even more like a -word i cant use-