Funny how you take my words out of context Ally :/
This sentence: As a guild leader you have responsiblity to treat all guild members fairly, and it seems like you favour some alot more than others while underestimating the abilities of other people in your guild.
That was directed at what you said about only two people being suitable at all to be co-leaders, you didn't say "most suitable" in that sentence, you said "only they are suitable". As if the others will not be able to do the job at all, everyone else will surely fail it 100%. So I had to remark about this particular thing you said, and you take my words far beyond their original intent.
I did not fish for special treatment! I thought i'd make a fine replacement for Bonni, and it made no sense to me that you would put one person on two teams at the same time. Had you taken anyone else from the guild for your team, that was not already in another team, I would have never suggested you to put me on your team at all. So in other words you had no faith in anyone else in the guild who was teamless to be able to fill Bonni's shoes in your team.
As for the standins, you put so many people there, and I felt left out. Thats not asking for special treatment, thats asking to be considered someone you trust enough to put on your standins. And apparently you did not feel you should put me there from the getgo, so it bothered me :/
Had there been only 2 or 3 standins, and had you not made that remark about what you consider your standins to be, then I would have never asked to be there myself.
I do not contradict myself, you simply go and assume whatever you want about my words, just like you say I do to yours. Way to be a hypocrite yourself then :x
I merely made a comment about your words, criticism if you will, and this is what I get :[
You saw me several times on MSN didn't you? Why didn't you try to resolve it there? I didn't start chatting 'cus frankly i'm a bit scared of you right now, you're not being very sensible. You're not trying to understand me at all. Instead of attacking me with your lies and assumptions perhaps you should have tried talking with me about this x.x
If you keep being so offensive to me, I will really take my leave... And by that picture you posted there it seems you really want me to go huh T_T
I <3 Guild Drama. Only reason I still lurk here.
-insert instigation here-
OOOH ALLY He's talking about yo mama! you gonna take that? (jk)
JayJayBlade: Lol At the .txt idea. V you should get on later so you, norm, and I can try out pvp. I know we did a connection test already (good call on your part) and I wanted to see who feels comfortable playing who. I just started using Lire again and I must say I'm pretty darn decent at crossbow in PvP. Win I know. Norm has one of the best Thief I've seen and I never caught who you were going to use. :O If anyone needs me I'll be at wyrms maw. This is my chance to finish up with Ryan. Four levels till black saints. That dragon armor looks eww.
Lol At the .txt idea. V you should get on later so you, norm, and I can try out pvp. I know we did a connection test already (good call on your part) and I wanted to see who feels comfortable playing who. I just started using Lire again and I must say I'm pretty darn decent at crossbow in PvP. Win I know. Norm has one of the best Thief I've seen and I never caught who you were going to use. :O
If anyone needs me I'll be at wyrms maw. This is my chance to finish up with Ryan. Four levels till black saints. That dragon armor looks eww.
Hmm yeah we should test it xD.
So far, I feel a bit safe with Lass and Arme (as Main that is) for PVP. The rest I need to still find out xD. (Maybe Elesis 1st... maybe not lol)
Good job JayJay. I'll have to give you and your whole team points x_o. See Arinoa, THIS is the type of teamwork I want. JayJayBlade has exceeded expectations as a Captain, and is completely independant. He has gathered his team ON HIS OWN, and even conducted tests and is in the midst of testing his own team by himself. This is exactly what I wanted to happen, by promoting captains. Yes, I do promote captains on both pvp SKILL and personality. That part of the guild, is inevidable. I can't have someone lead a team when they don't have experiance of their own. Seb, Trick, JayJay, and I all have experiance, and I have fought and lost to them LOL. So who better to lead? Jay really is a good example, and definatly is suitable for a higher ranking position.
Do you understand now? Instead of doing what you did, Ari. Which was, kicking up drama and pissing me off to the point of pretty much flaming you. He went, and focused entirely on organizing his team. You could have gone and trained. So, I really think this is personal opinion more than anything. Clearly, if Jay was offended and felt shto down by my comments, his progress with his team would of stopped alltogether. But he is still improving, and I must say, Jay has been the most successful captain so far, in organizing and asserting his authority as Royal Mage. He makes sure his team is comfortable before moving on. Now, obviously when I say, Jay has had the most success, I'm in NO WAY saying wow Seb, Trick, you two SUCK! Of course not. Seb and Trick both know they are great captains. And the members on their team, are kind of hard to contact <.<; So I don't blame them for still trying to get organized. Alleal is busy making tacos, Seb WAS in Japan, I think he's back now. And Trick and Remie still dont got a 3rd member to their team.
So you see, Ari? I'm not your dictator. I'm not the tyrant of the guild. I'm your leader, your commander, and your friend. I'm here to try and give you opportunities in which you can be successful and independant. I should in no way stand between you and the growth of your progress within this guild. But what more should I do? The way you "begged" to be on my team, both Nexx and I have agreed that it was offensive, and not needed. I was talking to you, and you asked about my team. I informed you that it was taken care of, and you got very moody with me and said "Why not put ME? on your team." it wasn't a question, not even a suggestion. It sounded more like a demand. OH and before that, you have previously stated, that you would not listen to a captain unless she was female. And you stil didn't listen to me when we were sparring with TK. So. What to do with you? You give me all these completely ridiculous "suggestions", and you state them in a way that is very aggresive. When I told you I had it all taken care of, and was looking for a new captain for you guys, you completely dumped those two things on me and I was like ?!...So really. I'm at a loss for what you want from me Ari. I could assume what you want, by carefully reading your post, but I won't do that to you. ALSO, let me bring up that beforehand, and you seem to have forgotten this completely. I offered you a captain position. But you turned it down. I DID think of you right away Ari, but not for my own team, for the guild itself. I THOUGHT you might of made a good captain, but the moon seems to have addled my brain. Or the forum, in this case -.-
I gave you my opinion but you still don't seem to quite get it. I don't want you here, if all you're going to do is complain and be unhappy with me as a leader.
Jay, let me know when you feel like your team is ready to GVG. We can also sparr before then too. Nexx and I are interested in your progress, and would like to see it first hand when you feel like you are ready. Keep up the good work <3
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Thats great for Jay, but i'm not the same type of person as him. I'm not a leader, that much I know about myself. I can lead, but usually i'd prefer someone else to lead, while relying on my advice when it is called for.
I never tried to kick up drama... The drama is just as much your fault as it is mine.
Yeah, if you just praise Jay, thats fine. Just like praising nick was fine, if you hadn't said "Do you think anyone other than him is suitable?" "only him and seb are suitable". Praising is fine, putting down other people is not. The way you said that had malice in it, as if saying "Yeah you're not good enough". Really, all that I asked was that you understand how that is wrong...
I never said you were a dictator. However, when you talk to me I expect you to be my friend first, before you are my leader. You seem to misundertand the kind of player that I am. I don't care about any opportunities to progress within the guild, just like I don't care about being the best of the best in PvP. I am not such a competitive player, though I still have ego and I still hate to lose - everyone does. I am a social player, and as such I might be a bit of a bother to you here, my needs are just diffrent.
You were talking about GvG teams so I see no wrong in me asking about yours, since Bonni did leave and I had to be curious about who you chose to replace her. When you informed me it was someone who was already on another team it seemed like a terrible idea to me. So, since my team was pretty much disbanded after Yigs left, it made all the sense in the world to me that I could be on your team. I never said I wouldn't listen to my captain unless she was female! I said I prefer a female captain, there's a world of diffrence here. And frankly, it was pretty much a huge flashy sign hint for you to put me on your team, which is why I inquired about it afterwards, as you did not get my very obvious hint. If it seemed wrong to you, the way I asked it, you could have said it right there and to my face, not whisper about it with Nexx afterwards. It was by all means a request, a very strong request since that is what I wanted, but nevertheless you had every right to refuse me. I promise you I wouldn't go ballistic on you for that, thats not the type of person I am. Infact I appriciate honesty above all else, you not saying certain things to me or lying to me to keep me happy will have the opposite effect once the truth is revealed. So if you have anything bad to say about me, do so to my face, not behind my back, that is cowardice.
When we sparred with TK and you told me to change characters I thought it was a bad idea and expressed my thoughts, just because you took it as a refusal to obey your orders and went all high and mighty leader on me doesn't mean thats how it was. I like to give advice, and say when I think there's something wrong with your ideas. You even say its ok to suggest things right? Then why go offensive on me for doing so? Again I say, be a friend, before you are a leader. I am very open minded, and even if I state one opinion I will listen to you, just talk to me, don't shout and don't order me around before you first try to talk to me with reason.
My suggestions are not ridicilous. Everything I say, I say for a good reason. Refusing to listen to me and dismissing my words is not the proper way to go. I am far from being aggresive too, so really...
What do I want from you? Well, the only reason i'm still in the guild is you, pretty much. Though technically I don't need to be in the guild to still be your friend and play with you. What I want is to be by your side and help you, thats it. That is why I really wanted to be on your team... If you say you don't need me i'l understand, but i'm here to help you personally, the rest of the guild interests me alot less, especially now that Yigs is gone.
Thats why I don't want to be a captain... Unless you say thats what you need from me, then i'l try and do what I can.
You see my words as complaints. I see them as advice.
Just keep this in mind: My intentions are almost always good. So think about my words some more before you decide i'm up to something bad T_T
You're still not listening to me....
I have nothing more to say to you if you can't even read what I'm saying.
-headdesks and doesnt get up- you win, I'm done.
GG
Thats not nice... After I carefully read your post and replied to everything you said :/
I even answered the question that was bugging you most of all, what do I want from you? And there I said it.
I don't deserve a reply to that?
I specifically said in my post that dismissing my words is not proper! And there you did just that.
How did I win? Win what exactly? I never tried to win anything, I just want you to understand me.
And so far, you still don't get me at all... I really don't think its hard to grasp what kind of person I am, from my latest post it should be plain to see for just about anyone.
omggg its still goingggggggg.............
I'm rude for not replying, I'm rude for discouraging you, I'm rude for not picking you first, I'm rude for suggesting you as a captain, I'm ruuuuuuuuuude for praising everyone!
You're cornering me and I'm done. I've said my pieces. You're right, I don't understand you. I probobly never will because you keep going on these tangets without truely grasping what I'm trying to say. All you do is say I don't get you and I'm exploding on you being rude. I give up. I'm done. No point. It's like beating a dead horse to get a response.
You don't understand me because you're not even trying to.
Again you say things I never said. Read my post carefully, I said praising is ok. Putting down people is not. Why is that not crystal clear to you?
I explained myself very well I believe! Please read my words and let their meaning sink in.
If you're not into it right now due to whatever reason then take all the time you need, have some coffee or rest up. Then get back when you are refreshed.
I'm starting to not like you.
That being said. I've TRIED to understand you, but when your opinions and words and actions are all over the freaking place, why bother? You do realize that I respond 0 to aggresion. Where did I EVER put anyone down? You were the only one offended by it. Someone will always find way to take offense to something. You can't make everyone happy, and if you waste all your time trying to weave everything around that one person, everyone else will get unhappy in the end and that person still wont be happy.
Do what you want. I have no more to say on this matter, because quite frankly, I don't think I CAN understand you when you word crap like that and I really don't want to.
You started this whole argument, rather than just ask me exactly what I meant by my words, or explain that you didn't mean to put anyone down by those words and it just seemed that way.
You put ME down with this entire barrage of lies and assumptions, displaying me as some horrible person. I had to defend myself throughout all of this.
And now, when you finally have nothing more to say to counter my words and make me seem as the villain you intended me to look like, you make it seem as if you're just tired of the argument.
That is just not fair. What I expect is an apology, and understanding from you. But I won't get it will I?
You never shut up do you. I keep getting an annoying time-out error so I'm going to just start pasting my replys just in case from now on.
You want to keep going? Bring it on, girlfriend. I was GONNA let you have the last word, but noo. I started this whole arguement? BS. You're the one coming in here complaining, or, giving "advice" when it's not even needed. No one was offended, but you went out of your way to get offended in everyone elses place instead. Thsoe words only seemed that way to YOU.
Don't put you down with a barrage of lies and assumptions? Don't make me laugh. Who was the one that lost horribly to Seb, and then went on a tanget about how bad he lags, and tried to make him feel like crap for what little insignificant latency he has. Just so you know, FM has a strict no laggers policy. And if Seb was that bad of a lagger, I wouldn't of asked him to join. Seb is an aussie so of course he'll have a bit of latency fighting players from the US, but it actually puts him at a bit of disadvantage, We can bs grab him anytime we want. You should have thought of that maybe while fighting him. Seb knows he has a bit of latency sometimes, and he feels really bad about it. He's a good guy, but he is truely deserving of the title of Bio Mage. You even went so far as to say he didn't deserve that spot. He's legit, and a good Ryan player. He doesn't lag like Hkooo or those china guild noobs. His latency is insignificant versus someone who is considered pro, and sometimes it's not even noticable.
I ALWAYS have had counters for your words, but do you know why I sat there and said forget it? I WAS SICK OF REPEATING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN. I AM tired, but you won't freaking stop. Well, you want an arguement? You got one, let's go.
And I think it's YOU who owes ME an apology for making a complete moron of yourself all over my guild thread and then trying to pin it on me.
When i'm not happy with the result of the argument, I won't let it be. Like I said, i'm not looking for a fight, or a victory here :/
I don't want no last word. I want you to get what i'm saying, and stop being so offensive about everything. This whole thing started from the offensive way in which you replied to me at first, when I only said that you dumped the job on nick without telling him everything, 'cus thats how it seemed to me from what he said.
A simple correction would be fine. But you had to go and say "Do you think anyone else can do it better? :/" , did I ever imply he wasn't good enough? No, I didn't. Then you said "only him and seb could do this job", as if saying "You can't do it, you suck". You'd be lying if you say that was not the intent behind your words.
So I commented about it, and then you explode on me with this huge argument, filled with lies and assumptions, yes. I have defended myself every step of the way here from your extremely biased and negative opinion of me.
I lost horribly to Seb? The first match ended as 3-2 and it was a pretty close battle you know. Afterwards I got too distraught by the lag issues between us, let me tell you that fighting a laggy sent is not fun at all. Even if his lag wasn't as bad as others i've seen there were still abnormal effects that threw me off. I play much worse with lag, that is fact. So yeah I got a bit frustrated there, but if Seb was to beat me in a clean match with no lag interferance I would simply concede. And are you to speak Ally? I have caught you complaining about things yourself, unable to accept a person's skill (Elusive, remember?), its only natural to express one's frustration at times, we're all human here, not machines.
Did I go later and bother Seb about it over and over? No, I didn't. When I saw him again and wished to fight him I checked my own lag status first, saw that it wasn't very good and decided to put if off until another time. I haven't seen him online at all after that, as he traveled to Japan like you said.
When did I ever say he didn't deserve the spot? Thats another lie.
So you're intent on displaying me as the villain are you? And you said you don't want to lose a friend over this, you sure are going about it the opposite way from your words.
No you did not have counters for my words, only more lies and more assumptions. You really don't know me as well as you might think, rather you don't even know me at all if thats how you're talking about me.
See how you dig every little dirty thing at your disposal to try and tarnish my name? Am I doing the same to you? Have I mentioned any dark things from your past on this forum and the game? Believe me there are many. But I don't stoop down to your level.
I don't want an argument, its you who want one. You started this whole thing, and you're now frustrated that I won't shut up about it. Thats one thing you should have known about me, when you start an argument with me - it won't be a short one.
I made a moron of myself? Me? No, now you're downright calling me names.
Did I not say "Take it to PMs or MSN" ? I believe I did, TWICE. Its you who decided to keep it going on this thread. You saw me on MSN, many times during this argument, you could have talked to me there. But no, you insisted on keeping it here infront of everyone.
So long as you continue to display me negatively on this thread, I will continue to defend myself on this thread. Its your decision when to end this, and most likely if you don't end it then your guild thread will end up locked, you should consider that. I did, thats why I told you, talk to me in private!
{New Color Woot} So if I may say something I would just like to give my view for a split second. In all honesty the point of a guild is to built friendships with everyone, enjoy their company, and above all else have fun. Thus the reason why I took it upon myself to talk with my team mates who aren't just people I say 'Do this do that', quite the opposite, they have views and opinions as well which is why we got along so well. I think somewhere between the guild updating rankings and such that lost sight.
I'm not one to talk so I figured I just say on both parts that it would probably be best in the interest of both your friendship and the guild thread itself if you two took a moment from responding to one another and come back on more level headed terms. Since as you can see -points to Yigs post- This is just creating a show for spectators to see and comment about how disfunctional the guild is.
Because I have respect for everyone here whether or not I've talked with you for a minute, second, or hours, I would like to say whatever it is you two are having a discrepancy about, I hope it gets resolved. ^___^
{Edit} Since I'm currently finishing up my Ryan training I'll be on practically everyday in the evening. If you want to test the entire team I would suggest maybe Saturday or something. Since I know we all have weird schedules. But any time during the week like tonight you can test V and Norm and I in 2v2s. I doubt the whole team will be on but if by some chance we are, well there you go xD. So I've seen V and Norm team and they whipped my team pretty bad. {OP Lass is OP} I trust if you were just to pvp those two alone you might say they are GvG worthy. As a whole, give us maybe, a week? What do you two think?
Dungeon Characters: Lire (65) PvP Characters: Ryan (60) Jin (44)
Can't we all get along?
I'm still the Mr. Tyrant of Art.~