Yeah and get rid of the legitimate players too while you are at it. Perhaps you need to rethink your motives a little. Getting rid of one end of the spectrum could very well affect the other end of the spectrum.

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oh, ok so we're back again.

well this is how you solve the problem in order to Not get auto kicked.
You use a Bonus Charge Or Natal Ring,

Bonus Charges can be purchased Everyday as long as you attend your calender for your Attendance Points. You can purchase 2 every day at midnight

you can purchase Natal Rings from the Cash shop.

just use them, and you will not die.

First of all, you completely missed my earlier post. FORCING people to buy natal rings is as bad as forcing them to quit the game. You shouldn't force people to pay you money in order to play a game properly unless it is explicit, like a pay to play mmo, but this isn't an mmo and it's supposed to be made for FREE players.

Secondly, as I said before, some people like to use their natals strategically and sometimes that takes more than just 30 seconds. I know when I'm in a hard boss we usually co-ordinate natal usages. Everyone fights down to their last breath and if we all die, Bam one natal resurrects everyone at once and we go at it again, then we wait till the last person dies and repeat. Sometimes that takes more than your given idle period that you are suggesting.

Also you could run out of those bonuses eventually, 50 points is 1 bonus. You only get 100 a day, that is 2 bonus. You recharge 3 a day, thats 5. So you only get 5 chances to get experience within the day? That doesn't seem fair to me, and again you shouldn't be forcing people to PAY MONEY to be able to resurrect. it is there as a helpful tool, not a requirement. 

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Let me try an analogy that could be used to work towards this game.

 

4 people are in the park, 2 of them are 13 years old, 1 of them is 11, and the other one is 8. Naturally, the 8 year old is the weakest of the group. They first meet up and "adopt" the 8 year old as a friend to join them so he can have fun. Together they play a game when one of the 13 year olds tells everyone someone is giving free ice cream. The 4 kids go to the ice cream man. The 3 oldest get there's first and head off at the request of the 8 year old so he can take his time to choose what flavor ice cream. A kid who is 14 years old is nearby watching the 8 year old as he gets his ice cream. He goes up to the kid, chit chats with him, and the 8 year old sees him as a friend. The 14 year old however is a bully. When he gets the chance, the bully takes the ice cream from the kid, and shoves him to the ground, and laughs while eating the stolen ice cream. The 8 year old i sad and crying cause of the stolen ice cream and from being hurt. The ice cream man, who saw everything, tells the kid he can't get another and to come back another time. The events repeat on till the kid stops trying and comes back when he's older and the bully is not a threat anymore.

 

Now in case you're wondering how this applies to GC, look at it like this.

 

Park: Map 

The 13 year olds: 2 experienced players

11 year old: Somewhat experienced

8 year old: Newbie/leecher

14 year old bully: Enemy/Boss

Ice Cream Man: The messages(Such as when you receive something, get expelled from a room, etc)

Ice Cream: Items/EXP/GP a player receives 

 

Now what happens in the story? The 8 year old loses everything cause he's too weak and only with the others cause the let him stay. Thats what this suggestion is saying. Change things up a bit so the 14 year old bully is 18 years old and he picks on all the kids. All of them lose out.

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Lorias:

And I'm sorry, but you seem to be supporting your idea as if it were a good idea.

So many people disagree, doesn't that show you how it would affect the rest of the population? Your suggestion is only as good as the support it has.

At varuna - What the hell? Do YOU read my posts? I HAVE BEEN IN YOUR SHOES. For once in this god damn thread please use the literacy that you were taught in highschool and READ.

And as an aside, my girlfriend does not leech. She doesn't like to trouble people to help her, she's independant like that, and so am I. I don't like to trouble people with my burdance. However, if I -KNOW- I'm just having some bad luck, I don't want to be punished. However with that said, that's just my nasty pride coming into play where I don't want people to help me. I know a lot of people who want to just have fun.  

 

If you have been in my shoes, you wouldn't be telling me to suck it up and deal with it.

Anyway, sounds to me like you don't even play with other people because you just mentioned that you don't like people helping you. I suppose you have no idea what the leeching problem is like. Some of the people don't like the idea is because it sounds a bit unfair to players who work hard and don't get exp at the end of the dungeon or it's because they leech.

But what about the players who work hard and get leeched from? The person gets the items, the exp and then laughs at the people who did all the work. That's how it goes most of the time. If you think this is right, then so be it. I don't believe leeching is right. If this isn't fixed, it's not going to go away. People are just going to keep doing it. Yeah, obviously I can deal with this like I've said I did, but getting the leechers out of the picture sure wouldn't hurt.

@Lorias
Well then, Then again,
Then you have to be more carful and not die as much.

Again you completely miss my point. I said I don't like people helping me. As in, I don't go to a room and look for people twice my level to leech me so I can get experience. Helping, and team play are two different things in entirety. You really need to stop your assumptions.

Secondly, you are assuming that ALL players who die, are leeching. That has never been further from the truth. Some people just have bad freaken luck as we have all mentioned and some people just plain suck. Should they be punished for being bad at a game? No, because games are made to be enjoyed and used as entertainment. SPORTS are made to be good at. If you suck at a sport that is in a tournament, you DO need to get better because it is a requirement. Games are meant to be enjoyed, and you can't enjoy something when you are always being punished.

Edit - ZD, just stop, you have NOTHING to support your argument other than "get better", Varuna atleast has some good points. You either need to think more and get some better support under your belt or just stop replying all together. 

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Hey Axel
You shouldnt even say anything because it's people like you who are part of this problem.

and you analogy is saying you're the weaker one? and you leech? i would call that Laziness because It's people like You who are Making people like Us dissapointed in the game, and that is why i Agree what Varunax Says about Leechers and this thread

ZDragun:

Hey Axel
You shouldnt even say anything because it's people like you who are part of this problem.

and you analogy is saying you're the weaker one? and you leech? i would call that Laziness because It's people like You who are Making people like Us dissapointed in the game, and that is why i Agree what Varunax Says about Leechers and this thread

Please stop randomly capitalizing words that don't need to be capitalized, and then in the same post use a lower case -I- when it should be upper case. 

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ZDragun:

Hey Axel
You shouldnt even say anything because it's people like you who are part of this problem.

and you analogy is saying you're the weaker one? and you leech? i would call that Laziness because It's people like You who are Making people like Us dissapointed in the game, and that is why i Agree what Varunax Says about Leechers and this thread

Axel only does that with friends.

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Lorias:

Edit - ZD, just stop, you have NOTHING to support your argument other than "get better", Varuna atleast has some good points. You either need to think more and get some better support under your belt or just stop replying all together. 

What my point is This problem is simply solved by Simply useing a Bonus Charge or Natal Ring, but people like You are too greedy to use them.
Am i correct. Even If this was in the game the same results would still happen. You die 3 times you use a natal ring and you keep on attacking the Boss.

On the other hand I'm just supporting what Varunax feels about this problem and i feel that what Varunax says is true, and what really pisses me off is you said you've been in our shoes and you have all this experiance, and yet you're defending the side you think is wrong but yet you still support them by dissagreeing witch something absoutly ridiculous.

Yeah, he does it with his friends so therefore he tells me to hit the road.

 

Also, to sum it up, leechers make my game less enjoyable. The game is designed to be enjoyable, I know. PvP isn't that enjoyable with the internet bullies crawling around and leechers just get to sit back and relax while I do all the work. I don't enjoy that and I know a lot of other players don't enjoy it either.

If you could agree, that you don't like the leechers, then that's great. My suggestion is only trying to get rid of the leechers who kill them selves 3 times in a row and then AFK for the rest of the 15 mins you play the map. Actually since this is a suggestion, it would be constructive to at least give some improvements on my suggestion instead of bashing everything I say and acting immaturely telling me what I should or should not do.

I hate leechers as much as you guys do, I have made that very well known, and I have made that very well known in every single game I have played.

However, the idea you guys are suggesting is going one step FURTHER than leechers and tryin to punish the legitimate players who are trying to play for fun and not trying to play because they are required to get better. I am in no way saying I support leeching, I am just supporting the people who don't want to get punished because they die.

As for wasting my natals and bonus, no, I actually have 27 of my Ronan's still left. I only use mine in strategic situations like I mentioned before, and I have so many points I could stock up on bonuses, The point I was trying to make, however, was that it should not be a requirement to HAVE to do that in order to stay in the game. It is there as a helpful tool, not a requirement to getting experience.

As for your "are you correct" statement, you really assume too much and call people things that you have no proof on. Just because I support one end of the spectrum does not mean I -AM- that end of the spectrum. I support the use of cash to get gear, however, I also support the spectrum that agrees that cash is too overpowered in PVP play. Does that make me someone who whines about cash users? No because I have some cash items myself because I wanted to support the game, I am saying (and from experience at that) that it is overpowered. I understand this is not what the topic is about, I am just using this as an example.

Varuna is giving what a debate/argument should be like. YOU on the other hand, are just spouting random nonsense and can't say anything more than "you suck get better or leave". I respect varuna and his/her opinion. I do not respect your random nonsense.
 

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Varunax:

@Axel

Okay, so you leech. End of story. So the reason why you don't support my idea is because you justify it with your own friends that you leech from. I suppose I was right on when I said "you're basically telling me to take a hike".

Everyone leeches, even if its just for a minute cause you're typing. Who says I leech from my friends? I'm one of the people doing the work. Sometimes the ONLY one. I don't care, I like the game too damn much. Yeah, I'm telling you to take a hike for the following reason: ITS ONLY A PROBLEM IF YOU MAKE IT A PROBLEM, AND YOU'RE MAKING A BIG DEAL OUT OF IT

 

And up to this point, I don't particularly care about what you have to say because you haven't even bothered to read my suggestion.

No I read it. You're not bothering to look at it from a different point of view. I would like a stop to the leeching as well, but I'm not coming up with a suggestion that changes the game entirely to hate on everyone who loses 3 lives. We shouldn't be forced to use something that doesn't have to be used to avoid getting kicked. While a suggestion is a good thing, the suggestion itself can be a problem. You need to think of not just yourself, but of the entire playerbase. I've looked at it from both views. On one hand, it would stop leeching. On the other hand, we already have a method for that, leaving and starting anew, or just letting it go and kicking them afterwards, AND it would punish legit players who worked their asses off to make it to the boss only to die because of a few simple mistakes. This suggestion would make players not like the game as much. Not only that, but what if you became a victim of the suggestion over and over again? Wouldn't you get pissed as well? I know I would.

 

Axel is so busy over there saying how he multitasks with his friends, but does he die all 3 times and just AFK?

Actually I'm busy over here trying to do important things while taking a small break inbetween. Yes, I have died 3 times and AFKed before, only to come back when the group really needs it. Since I pulled my weight and died on the way only to come back a little bit later, does this mean I only did it to leech? No, I did it since I

 

1: Had something to do that required me to be AFK

2: Waited for the right moment, and to study possible solutions to my mistakes.

 

You say there is no benefit to dying 3 times since all it is is leeching. One thing a player can do is watch how people fight the boss to learn its attack patterns, learn possible ways to dodge it, and learn the best methods of killing it quickly.

 

Think like me, you'll see what I mean. 

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Varunax:

Yeah, he does it with his friends so therefore he tells me to hit the road.

 

Also, to sum it up, leechers make my game less enjoyable. The game is designed to be enjoyable, I know. PvP isn't that enjoyable with the internet bullies crawling around and leechers just get to sit back and relax while I do all the work. I don't enjoy that and I know a lot of other players don't enjoy it either.

If you could agree, that you don't like the leechers, then that's great. My suggestion is only trying to get rid of the leechers who kill them selves 3 times in a row and then AFK for the rest of the 15 mins you play the map. Actually since this is a suggestion, it would be constructive to at least give some improvements on my suggestion instead of bashing everything I say and acting immaturely telling me what I should or should not do.

I am not acting immaturely. I AM giving you improvement suggestions by saying you are defeating the purpose by affecting the legitimate players. The suggestion is, that in entirety, it will not work, just like the vote system (I suggested it, you knocked it down, fair game). I agree that leeching is a problem, I do not agree that people who die halfway through the map because they arn't skilled jumpers or they get raped by a 3 status effected mini boss should have to suffer the punishment you are suggesting for the leechers.

If you should be talking to anyone about immaturity, it should be ZD. 

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