to start my point......

i thinkn grab damage should be nerfed. somewhat.

however, grabbing is almost lire(my favorite char)s only way to kill those with arrow defence. i can imagine that is would be easy to strangle someone with that bowstring, why not grab them? and it is also a good way to eliminate higher levels than you.

so my suggestion is... merely make it so grabs do 10% of your health away. that would make it fair, and easy to kill traders(those annoying people who trade wins) because they have high levels, but no skill. it would decrease the damage done alot, two.

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NO grabs are my only way to stop someone who is running away

ok i know grabs are annoyying some times but hey its a stratergy actually your prorbably one of those persons who doesnt know how to counter some grabs sometimes lol.

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i would lose all faith in pvp .-.

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Let me brake this down for you. Vitality is used when exchanging variables in the damage registration. High vital= less damage when thrown. Also, Im an Elesis user, I "spam" flash grabs all the time. Its just a form of strategy. As they say, if its too hot, stay outta the kitchen. If you dont like players grabbing you in fights, maybe PvPing isn't for you. ;)

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yes its a strategy but a very pathetic one. And hey i can grab spam it is the easiest thing to do in pvp. But I don't why it shows a lack of skills. Just like when people have to use a rocket launcher in a shooting game to play other people. Just because its easy and does high damage and you don't have to be good to use it. Id actually pvp more is pvp was a show of skill not a show of "i can spam more then you". And I have gained the respect of a lot of people because i am actually fairly good at pvp when its a actual skill battle. I mean if i can fight without having to be a runner, a grab spammer/skill spammer, or a lagger and still win a decent amount of my matches. (cause the point is pvp is supposed to be about skill not spamming) thats why i say it should at the very least be nerfed.

 

(and yes i know i resed a dead thread mostly cause i was just able to get on to respond >.>) 

Plain and simple, without grab, this game wouldnt be as fun. Also, SS/FS users would be dead....like me.

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If lag wasn't a mega big huge problem, i'd say keep the grabs as they are. But people abuse lag to break commands via grabbing, even when it seems like you're going to pull off a move to kill the fool dashing towards you - your move gets canceled by lag and the grab... So it ends up that to fight with lag one has to become a seer, a visionary, a fortune teller, you get the picture... Fairly annoying.

So I support: remove grabs or nerf their damage to very low damage.

That or fix the lag 100%, but thats mission impossible.

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Thanks Kiddy!

Lag works 2 ways

 

If I don't see you moving on my screen, but you moved away, and I grab you, I would get called a lagger

likewise

If you don't see me moving, and I moved away, and you grab me, nobody gets called a lagger

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As much as I hate grabbing I don't think it should be nerfed.

Of course how much damage grabbing does is completely illogical.  I mean, girly little lass pushes down someone and causes 60 some damage, but my sword only does like 14 damage?  If we tried the same thing in RL you would be absolutely fine aside from maybe a few bruises if I pushed you down, but if I slashed you with a sword it would probably be life threatening.

Still, the game is balanced enough (besides cash vs. gp stuff, but that's understandable).  We don't need to change how much damage throws do.  If you don't like grabs then learn how to grab back or change your style so you don't get close enough for them to grab you.

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i think that grabs should even be banned! why? if you're not good enough to fight without grab then seriously, you dont belong in pvp.

i think the grabs damage should be nerfed, but nerf the melee character's(every one but lire) grab a good bit more than lire's cause that(and jump attack) are her only means of actually hurting characters with arrow defence. 

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Paige3:

i think that grabs should even be banned! why? if you're not good enough to fight without grab then seriously, you dont belong in pvp.

This coming from the guy i owned which later called me a hacker... 

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Grabs are the only things that can take down laggers. Imagine someone is badly lagging and there are no grabs in the game, guess what happens? The dude runs around the stage, untouched because your attacks cannot connect. After 40 mins of this you want to quit the match. Same goes for 10% HP damage. They'll just run away to recover.

Well, spamming grabs is a tactic and it's really easy to avoid and abuse yourself. The double grab helps big time here since you can evade damage then. When you grab yourself you kinda block the grab, simple as that. And about MP attacks.....you ever tried unleashing one after a grab? Usually the dude gets all hits from it. You can either become a seer, or grab yourself and learn how lag reacts. Usually leaving after 1 lose will not help beat the player simply because you won't get used to how he lags. Usually bad laggers after 3 matches are easy.

 No support for removig or nerfing grabs. They should stay as they are.

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@Kowiz: That is not the case I described.

@Curia: What about the diffrence in commands registering? When I say lag, I don't mean laggers! I mean people who have higher upload than me, or are closer to the server. Essentially if we both do a grab at the same time, I will get grabbed. If I start my grab first and they do it later then it ends with a dual-grab that has no effect, followed by me getting grabbed anyway. How to fix this huh?

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Thanks Kiddy!