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This is more a rant than a suggestion for Gacha

Last post 11-22-2008, 1:30 AM by Raiyzor. 38 replies.
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  •  11-17-2008, 12:13 AM 245441

    • Raiyzor is not online. Last active: 01-06-2009, 2:19 AM Raiyzor
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    This is more a rant than a suggestion for Gacha

    Seriously ntreev? Did you really have to stoop that low? I have spent over 120 gacha coins all trying to get ninko and guess what? Every single time was a fail! Gacha is either a rigged game, or a way to teach children to get addicted to gambling. I swear on my life I will never buy another gacha coin. EVER. You should seriously remove this scam from Grand Chase Ntreev.

  •  11-17-2008, 2:37 AM 245473 in reply to 245441

    Re: This is more a rant than a suggestion for Gacha

    I'd say I have to agree. lol

    Yeah, I bought gacha coins to get Luna, cus.. Luna <3

    Maybe I was just lucky, for needing to spend "only" 50 gacha coins to get her... On the plus side I have a full Luna set for Elesis... With alot of pieces to spare (>.<) , sold a few for a couple of measly gems but the rest I refuse to - I want better returns for sold cash items before I sell them.

    If this suggestion says: Remove Gacha and put all its items in the cash shop, then I vote yes. I never liked gambling...

    And i'l say this too: I'm not spending cash on even one more gacha coin, no matter what you add to Gacha. 

    50$ is waaay more than enough. 



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  •  11-17-2008, 3:37 AM 245478 in reply to 245441

    Re: This is more a rant than a suggestion for Gacha

    NTreev needs money. Gacha is a perfect way to make money. It draws suckers in to spend their money on coins.
    Besides, it's a gamble. You can't expect to get what you want so easily.
  •  11-17-2008, 4:32 AM 245488 in reply to 245478

    Re: This is more a rant than a suggestion for Gacha

    GhostOpera:
    Besides, it's a gamble.

    That is precisely the problem described here, the fact that its a gamble is the wrong thing about it. It shouldn't be a gamble. There is no such thing as Gacha on KGC or any other GC, its Ntreev's invention, on other GC's all those pets and items are in the shop. I understand their need for money, and I do spend money on the game. But Gacha isn't needed... And is just a way to make us spend extra cash, and makes Ntreev seem quite.. greedy..

    I assure you they will continue to make more than enough money from the cash shop alone, on that you need not worry. 



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  •  11-17-2008, 6:32 AM 245516 in reply to 245488

    Re: This is more a rant than a suggestion for Gacha

    KGC has something that is similar to that of Gacha, so saying they don't have it is sorta wrong.

     

    If you don't like Gacha, don't play it. No one is telling you to use it or you'll get banned. Its only gonna be a problem if you make it a problem, and that's basically what is happening. 


  •  11-17-2008, 9:17 AM 245553 in reply to 245516

    Re: This is more a rant than a suggestion for Gacha

    I agree.

    The excess things, like cash skills, appear waaaaaaay too often.  WHY would I want FIRST JOB cash skills if i'm doing a LEVEL 40 GACHA?  Seriously!  The first job weapons are HORRIBLE, apart from Mage, and i'll trash that in an instant when I get battle mage.

    Then there's the excess equipment.  We NEED to do something about that.  24 freaking gems won't cut it.  That's even less in some places, as low as 9 (Ninko).  It wastes a potential turn to actually GET a pet, because the pet is pretty much the same chances as a piece of armor when you get a "Lucky Egg".  They need to make it either A.  Stop coming once you get it.    B. Able to trade the Gacha special stuff and the gacha special stuff alone.    C.  Need way more gems for selling Gacha stuff.    D.  Need a "Delete account" button because of the frustration it induces.

    I tried to get Luna in over 80 tries, and my sis got it in 7.  I'm not playing Gacha, ever again.  Thank you NTreeV, you ruined my want to gamble, and smashed it between my eyes, then proceeded to burn it with a flamethrower.


  •  11-17-2008, 9:17 AM 245554 in reply to 245516

    Re: This is more a rant than a suggestion for Gacha

    Actually, it's just luck. i got ninko on the 2 free gacha coin!
    Elesis: 22
    Lire: 25
    Arme: 32
    Ronan: 29
    Lass: 21
    Ryan: 15
  •  11-17-2008, 9:46 AM 245562 in reply to 245516

    Re: This is more a rant than a suggestion for Gacha

    Is it with exact similarity in chances of getting items, same items, and all that? I happen to have my doubts on that.

    Gacha is not exactly fair to the players atm... Spending 50$+ on a virtual pet within a game, methinks is not the right way. Sure I did it on a whim which makes me a gullible impulsive person... Can't help but to admit that. I won't fall for it a second time though.

    Meaning i'm not buying anymore gacha coins. Ever. <- that alone should light a red flag on Ntreev's side. Because i'm of the low % of players posting on the forum, you can count on it there are others who share my point of view (and the OP's) on this matter.

    The only ones who won't care how much Gacha is unfair are those who have so much money that they don't even have value for money. E.G. Rich spoiled kids.

    So with Gacha Ntreev will make on average (just tossing this out there) what, 30$ per player? (assuming most people are not like me and the OP in this matter). While the cash shop will yield much more funds, and the longer the players stick around they'l pay more as they level more charachters, and more items come out.

    Yet even if new Gacha items come out, these players will not buy anymore gacha coins, cus we know how unfair Gacha is already, and that the chances to get what we want from it are too low to be worth it.

    Yeah, we feel hussled, cheated, w/e. So if thats how we feel after playing Gacha, you can tell that it is indeed a problem.It doesn't matter if you don't think the same way, its enough that some players feel that way to make it a problem.

    If Gacha is to be kept, some fixes must be made to make it more fair. After all this is not a casino, we can't win cash from Gacha. So Gacha should stop making us lose cash for useless things or give us things that are worth less than 1000 cash (the worth of 1 gacha coin).

     Important points:

    The armor pieces for the special armor sets, do not give us more than one of each of these. That wastes our coins. If the result of the Gacha roll is an armor piece, and player already has it, random it among the armor pieces not yet aquired and give that instead. If the entire set is already aquired for the playing charachter - give the pet! if the pet is aquired 2 times already, then random between the other results.

    3rd Grade Skills: Why only 500? Worth less than 1000 cash (700 in shop). Give more, at least 1000*, or remove from Gacha altogether.

    Natal rings: Again, too few. You give us only 10 (500 in shop). Give at least 25* or remove from Gacha.

    Pets: I would say limit them to getting only one. But what if some people would want, for example, both Luna and her evolved form Bastet? So, limit this one to 2 total (if you can, sum up the Luna and Bastet cards under the same variable). If already at 2, random between the other results.

    GC Club: No problem with it being on Gacha, but I want it in the shop too! In this case I don't mind if 3 days of GC Club = 1000 cash, same as their worth in Gacha.

    *Since we bet on Gacha and we don't know what we get - the regular items should be given with bonus, not penalty. Give us more incentive to play Gacha...

    Edit: Note, should you not implement any of these changes to Gacha then do the following: Add random cash rewards to Gacha, ranging from 1,000 to 10,000. Making it almost a true GC Casino -.-



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  •  11-17-2008, 10:10 AM 245567 in reply to 245562

    Re: This is more a rant than a suggestion for Gacha

    Rant all you want.. as Loki said before, the forums is a minority.. what we say does not matter as the players in-game which muchless is several times the forum population.

    The players-in-game love Gacha, and that is why Ntreev keeps it. 


    I've had it. I am officially GONE.
  •  11-17-2008, 1:06 PM 245669 in reply to 245567

    Re: This is more a rant than a suggestion for Gacha

    The players in-game love gacha? Gacha as it is now? Eh, I don't know about that. But i'l start asking around in games and give you an answer -.-


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  •  11-17-2008, 2:12 PM 245701 in reply to 245669

    • Raiyzor is not online. Last active: 01-06-2009, 2:19 AM Raiyzor
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    Re: This is more a rant than a suggestion for Gacha

    o cool more people to rant with me XD

    seriously though again I agree with arinoa.Gacha could stay but dont make it a jacked up slot machine x.x

    yeah. Fool me once shame on you, fool me 120 times shame on me -____-  *sigh*


  •  11-17-2008, 4:18 PM 245819 in reply to 245441

    Re: This is more a rant than a suggestion for Gacha

    Raiyzor:
    Seriously ntreev? Did you really have to stoop that low? I have spent over 120 gacha coins all trying to get ninko and guess what? Every single time was a fail! Gacha is either a rigged game, or a way to teach children to get addicted to gambling. I swear on my life I will never buy another gacha coin. EVER. You should seriously remove this scam from Grand Chase Ntreev.

    Dude , lemme tell you this : You're not forced ! 

    You're not forced to get all those coins and use the gambling system to get a pet ... You can always get something static if you want , like a cash pet or the Slime , which is always so much better for those with brains -.-



  •  11-17-2008, 4:43 PM 245833 in reply to 245819

    Re: This is more a rant than a suggestion for Gacha

    Gacha is not Ntreev's invention, it was originally implemented on JGC (I believe, could be some other) and then brought here when that server died XD

    Anyways, just don't play gacha if you don't want to. No one gives a *** if it took you over 120 tries to get Ninko, it's a *** gamble, not a give away.



  •  11-17-2008, 5:35 PM 245890 in reply to 245833

    Re: This is more a rant than a suggestion for Gacha

    Clearly none of you know about the person who spent well over $500 to get a pet on Trickster.

     

    If you don't know when to stop, it's your fault.


  •  11-17-2008, 6:54 PM 245966 in reply to 245441

    Re: This is more a rant than a suggestion for Gacha

    lol i understand where raiyzor is coming from. yet... i also think the "once you get that item you cant get it again" statement. tch... maybe we'll get lucky with sid maybe we wont.
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